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If the OP was intending to drive straight on at the round about they were in the wrong lane (the movement left suggests that was the intention) as the inside lane would be for exiting the roundabout beyond straight on. If the OP intended to stay on the roundabout they suffered some sort of twitch which made them drive into the A Class. The A Class was in the wrong lane period but never turned right or turned into the OP's lane - they just appeared somewhat clueless. But the fact of the matter is that the A Class never turned into the OP, the OP was behind and turned into the A Class. Last edited by AyrshireColin; 10-15-2019 at 09:57 AM.. |
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10-15-2019, 10:35 AM | #26 | |
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I know others have indicated a 50/50 fault here but i simply don't see it. Both lanes have arrows pointing forward which means both lanes can go straight on the roundabout. Your lane has the option to go around the roundabout only. She is in wrong lane, not indicating & attempting to go around on the left lane. Case closed IMO. |
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10-15-2019, 10:54 AM | #27 |
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This turning right and using the left hand lane to do so is becoming more and more common these days, especially when the entry / exit road from the roundabout is a dual carriageway. I often see some driving right around in front of me / other cars, a complete 360.
I really become defensive in those situations all the time and assume that they are doing a 360 even if they are not. I either ensure I hang back or put my car in a position that commands the junction and road position so it's obvious they can't cut across my front. Sorry for OP's damage by someone who clearly wasn't thinking, but I would have not put my car in that gap just in case. |
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10-15-2019, 11:06 AM | #28 | |
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She veered to my lane on runabout, like most drivers do, i was no more than foot from curb in the middle. Road markings are not great but still you can see main arrow to go straight from both lanes. https://www.google.com/maps/place/A6...3!4d-0.4563298 Last edited by adam.b; 10-15-2019 at 11:19 AM.. |
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10-15-2019, 12:07 PM | #29 |
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It might have been possible for OP to avoid with great reactions, but merc driver cannot cross a two lane exit from the inside lane irrespective of signalling etc. Merc driver at fault - end of.
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10-15-2019, 12:50 PM | #30 |
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Avoidable accident but the B Class is about to pass its 3rd exit without exiting, all while in the left lane. However the OP is in the inside lane for too long before starting to exit, given there is traffic inside them.
Mate of mine who is a shit driver did the same thing as the B Class, and was adjuged to be at fault.
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Approach speed would suggest great reactions were to be expected, appears a confident driver.
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Our man should have just hung back to see what developed. He also has a responsibility to avoid a collision which because he’s up her chuff doesn’t, he’s also bang in her blind spot and you just know she won’t do a shoulder check. You can tell by her body language, (the car) ie shit position on the roundabout and lack of ANY signal she’s doesn’t know what she’s doing or she’s waiting for her sat Nav to tell where to come off all of which could have contributed to where she was positioned. |
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10-15-2019, 01:43 PM | #34 |
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The speed prob looks slower in the video than in real life..... which makes it a harder accident to avoid.
I know my thinkware makes some of my footage seem much slower. |
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10-15-2019, 02:09 PM | #35 |
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Bad driving by her but a totally avoidable accident just by observing her road positioning and hesitation on entering the roundabout.
Not sure if the lane markings have changed since the Google maps image as that shows right only and video looks like straight on , I guess the right arrow has totally worn away. |
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10-15-2019, 02:33 PM | #36 |
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Well what a surprise, BMW forum full of drivers with opinions that think another driver at fault / they could do better without actually being present.
There are clearly a lot of people on here more perfect than me, when I am on roads I know I tend to be quite assertive and assume everyone else not displaying L or P plates, or foreign plates, knows what they are doing. You will be fine OP. She was turning right from left hand lane. Case closed. |
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10-15-2019, 02:43 PM | #37 | |
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Highway code 185 does mention this situation : "watch out for all other road users already on the roundabout; be aware they may not be signalling correctly or at all" I personally take little notice of signals - I just drive defensively most of the time. |
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Do not show that clip to the ins, unless you want a claim on your ins.
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10-15-2019, 05:21 PM | #41 |
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Here's what any insurer or cop is going to say about that video, IMHO.
The Merc driver has not signaled and is making a right turn from the incorrect lane. Of that there is no doubt. However, the OP has attempted to pass at a dodgy spot because there is the chance that the Merc driver would do that. It shows a lack of due diligence on the part of the OP in not ensuring it was safe to overtake. It's likely a 50:50 is the result and everybody goes home grumpy. Now, in every day driving, I'm sure we have all passed a slowcoach at the exit to a roundabout. Bloody sure I have. But it's like overdriving your dipped beams, it's OK until it goes wrong, and then it's at least 50% your fault. One more thing. If you ever visit Las Vegas I suggest you don't go to the Summerlin area where they have roundabouts. What is in that video is nothing compared to what I have observed here. |
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I think the B class driver was very much in the wrong, passing the third exit, but the OP’s pace and the tendency for insurance companies to go 50/50 on smaller bumps without an absolutely cast iron case, means that’s how this will end up.
I could very easily fall into the same trap - I like to ‘make progress’ and would have assumed that she wasn’t turning right. |
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