[kitster]

Originally Posted by ermonee86

Hello! Im retrofitting HU_entry to HU_NBT, my car hasn't got microphone and I have bought one, but I need the cable to connec it at the NBT.
I'm not sure what pieces I have to buy to build that, can someone tell me what pieces I need?

Thank you so

Just some regular wire will do: http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/maplin-equ...lack-10m-fa26d

[xenos]

After NBT retrofit to a F20, the little wheel at the steering wheel doesn't work anymore. It used to change radio station or song. any idea why is this or how can it be coded someway?

Furthermore, I do not have a BT mic. Can I use a mic, other than BMW's, as I have trouble installing it somewere conveniently?

[kitster]

Originally Posted by xenos

After NBT retrofit to a F20, the little wheel at the steering wheel doesn't work anymore. It used to change radio station or song. any idea why is this or how can it be coded someway?

Furthermore, I do not have a BT mic. Can I use a mic, other than BMW's, as I have trouble installing it somewere conveniently?

I'm assuming you have don't have the 6WA black panel display?

You need to code the following if you have the basic KOMBI:

Info: Option to allow watch next track on Basic Kombi with a retrofitted NBT
HU_NBT [3000]
BASIS_KOMBI_MMI_LIST
New Value: aktiv
Default Value: nicht_aktiv

[xenos]

Originally Posted by kitster

I'm assuming you have don't have the 6WA black panel display?

No, I do not have it.

Originally Posted by kitster

You need to code the following if you have the basic KOMBI:

Info: Option to allow watch next track on Basic Kombi with a retrofitted NBT
HU_NBT [3000]
BASIS_KOMBI_MMI_LIST
New Value: aktiv
Default Value: nicht_aktiv

I think that this was at aktiv, but I will check again.

[xenos]

Originally Posted by xenos

No, I do not have it.

I think that this was at aktiv, but I will check again.

For some reason, it wasn't at aktiv, as I thought. Everything seems ok now.
Thanks.

Any idea on below?

Originally Posted by xenos

Furthermore, I do not have a BT mic. Can I use a mic, other than BMW's, as I have trouble installing it somewere conveniently?

[kitster]

Originally Posted by xenos

Any idea on below?

To install the official microphone; cut a hole in the roof liner. Ask a member to measure the size of the hole. The Mic is attached to the cover which just clicks into the hole. Run 2 electrical wires from the mic down to the NBT qualock connector as follows:

Mic 1:
Pin 17 +ve
Pin 22 -ve

Mic: 2
Pin 18 +ve
Pin 19 -ve

If you initially hear nothing try switching the wires into the Mic.

[xenos]

Originally Posted by smilo

Hi guys,
One more NBT retrofited Thanks to you all and this formidable Bimmers community

Otherwise, I have coded the new NBT, but I think I did some mistakes (as it was my first BMW coding )
After coding, I see in the screen EXACTLY what I had on my old business iDrive: small image 6.5" (black on the right of screen), all features I had...

Had this too. You have to remove 663 (professional radio) and add 609 (nbt) and code.

[xenos]

Originally Posted by kitster

To install the official microphone; cut a hole in the roof liner. Ask a member to measure the size of the hole. The Mic is attached to the cover which just clicks into the hole. Run 2 electrical wires from the mic down to the NBT qualock connector as follows:

Mic 1:
Pin 17 +ve
Pin 22 -ve

Mic: 2
Pin 18 +ve
Pin 19 -ve

If you initially hear nothing try switching the wires into the Mic.

thanks.

[ermonee86]

DONE!

I have retrofitted my f20, now bt with freehands, voice control, gps. I bought a mic and today I installed it and works perfect.
Waiting for the usb' cable.

Doesn't work the aux, does anyone know why? It's the only part the car came with (hu_entry with aux, no bt).

And the office doesn't appears at main menu, shawn could you pm with codes please?

Another one question, is there any guide to upgrade the firmware version?

Thank you everybody who write and solve ours problems! You are great!

[kitster]

Originally Posted by ermonee86

DONE!

I have retrofitted my f20, now bt with freehands, voice control, gps. I bought a mic and today I installed it and works perfect.
Waiting for the usb' cable.

Doesn't work the aux, does anyone know why? It's the only part the car came with (hu_entry with aux, no bt).

And the office doesn't appears at main menu, shawn could you pm with codes please?

Another one question, is there any guide to upgrade the firmware version?

Thank you everybody who write and solve ours problems! You are great!

Who uses the AUX nowadays
If your F20 came with the combox then it'll be routed to that. Personally I wouldn't bother attempting to fix it.

In rgds to Office, you'll need to remove 6NH and replace with 6NS in your VO.

If you want to upgrade the NBT firmware then you'll need to a constant external power supply as you can't upgrade the NBT firmware whilst the car is switched on. Upgrade is done using esys. Search the forum for instructions.

[F20driver]

Hi all,

I have read this thread long long time ago and now I am deciding to retrofit my F20 from HU_ENTRY with Combox and basic KOMBI to HU_NBT.

I am new to do the retrofit and I got a few stupid questions,
1)I am wondering where is the MOST cable originally connected to the combox?
2)Should I unplug the MOST cable in the combox after installing the NBT? any error if i do so?
3)Does anyone got a wiring diagram regarding the MOST cable connection among NBT, 6WA, ZGM?
4)Since I may also retrofit a 6WA kombi, i am wondering if I can use the original cable connector from the basic kombi

Thanks for your help in advance : )

[Jus71n]

Since my install everything has been good, cept for a couple of times when using the navigation the GPS location drifts maybe 50 yards from the road i'm on which sometimes throws the navigation out, then after 5 mins its back to normal

So the question is where have you guys installed your GPS aerials? mines on the bar under the 8.8" screen (under dash) I've toyed with the idea of running it up to the roof (near interior light?) just wondering how big a job that would be?

Thanks

[speuk]

Originally Posted by kitster

Correct, the new entry and business nav (not CHAMP 2), are the same unit. The only difference is the business unit has navigation a FSC code.

Hi Kitster, I have an F23 without nav, April 2015 Build. I believe the HU should be EntryNav? How difficult is it to obtain maps, FSC Codes and GPS antenna to emable Business Nav? Bimmertech thought I would need a new HU?

Thanks in advance
Simon

[kitster]

Originally Posted by speuk

Hi Kitster, I have an F23 without nav, April 2015 Build. I believe the HU should be EntryNav? How difficult is it to obtain maps, FSC Codes and GPS antenna to emable Business Nav? Bimmertech thought I would need a new HU?

Thanks in advance
Simon

Getting the maps and GPS antenna are easy but you need to make sure your headunit has the correct inputs/outputs. For example there were many versions of the HU_ENTRY. Getting the FSC codes to enable the maps might be harder, I've not had to do it myself but if you did get one (not for you car's VIN), then you'll prob need an emulator to get around the mismatching VINs. So Bimmertech might be right....personally if you're going down that route, I'd look into retrofitting the (ProNav) NBT unit.

Send a message to shawnsheridan he might have a contact for importing the FSC code.

I warn you the HU_ENTRYNAV FSC codes are DF based, which the current freebie FSC generators don't support. They only support 1B (CIC) and DE (NBT).

[kitster]

Originally Posted by Jus71n

Since my install everything has been good, cept for a couple of times when using the navigation the GPS location drifts maybe 50 yards from the road i'm on which sometimes throws the navigation out, then after 5 mins its back to normal

So the question is where have you guys installed your GPS aerials? mines on the bar under the 8.8" screen (under dash) I've toyed with the idea of running it up to the roof (near interior light?) just wondering how big a job that would be?

Thanks

I've got mine in the same location. I would take the antenna out and place on your dashboard. If it's still crazy then it might be your antenna needs replacing.

[speuk]

Originally Posted by kitster

Getting the maps and GPS antenna are easy but you need to make sure your headunit has the correct inputs/outputs. For example there were many versions of the HU_ENTRY. Getting the FSC codes to enable the maps might be harder, I've not had to do it myself but if you did get one (not for you car's VIN), then you'll prob need an emulator to get around the mismatching VINs. So Bimmertech might be right....personally if you're going down that route, I'd look into retrofitting the (ProNav) NBT unit.

Send a message to shawnsheridan he might have a contact for importing the FSC code.

I warn you the HU_ENTRYNAV FSC codes are DF based, which the current freebie FSC generators don't support. They only support 1B (CIC) and DE (NBT).

Many thanks, when I have time I'll take a look at the head unit, I had seen on other posts that some don't have the connector for the GPS aerial. I'll probably wait until the warranty is up and then the the NBT upgrade .
Thanks again
Simon

[kitster]

Originally Posted by F20driver

Hi all,

I have read this thread long long time ago and now I am deciding to retrofit my F20 from HU_ENTRY with Combox and basic KOMBI to HU_NBT.

I am new to do the retrofit and I got a few stupid questions,
1)I am wondering where is the MOST cable originally connected to the combox?
2)Should I unplug the MOST cable in the combox after installing the NBT? any error if i do so?
3)Does anyone got a wiring diagram regarding the MOST cable connection among NBT, 6WA, ZGM?
4)Since I may also retrofit a 6WA kombi, i am wondering if I can use the original cable connector from the basic kombi

Thanks for your help in advance : )

Inline

1)I am wondering where is the MOST cable originally connected to the combox?

The MOST cable connects into the COMBOX, you can't miss it. When retrofitting you want to completely disable it because the NBT has a built in combox.

2)Should I unplug the MOST cable in the combox after installing the NBT? any error if i do so?

You need to remove the MOST cable from the combox and close the loop by attaching a terminating MOST Loop. Also you'll need to move the MOST cable from the quadlok and into the emulator quadlok.

3)Does anyone got a wiring diagram regarding the MOST cable connection among NBT, 6WA, ZGM?

See above.

4)Since I may also retrofit a 6WA kombi, i am wondering if I can use the original cable connector from the basic combo

Sorry had the 6WA as standard. Heard the retrofit is quite involved.

[F20driver]

Originally Posted by kitster

Inline

1)I am wondering where is the MOST cable originally connected to the combox?

The MOST cable connects into the COMBOX, you can't miss it. When retrofitting you want to completely disable it because the NBT has a built in combox.

2)Should I unplug the MOST cable in the combox after installing the NBT? any error if i do so?

You need to remove the MOST cable from the combox and close the loop by attaching a terminating MOST Loop. Also you'll need to move the MOST cable from the quadlok and into the emulator quadlok.

3)Does anyone got a wiring diagram regarding the MOST cable connection among NBT, 6WA, ZGM?

See above.

4)Since I may also retrofit a 6WA kombi, i am wondering if I can use the original cable connector from the basic combo

Sorry had the 6WA as standard. Heard the retrofit is quite involved.

Thanks a lot kitster

[TePee]

Originally Posted by speuk

Many thanks, when I have time I'll take a look at the head unit, I had seen on other posts that some don't have the connector for the GPS aerial. I'll probably wait until the warranty is up and then the the NBT upgrade .
Thanks again
Simon

I have the same issue in an almost new MY2016 F34 with Radio Prof (HU_ENTRYNAV). I´d like to retrofit the 8,8" screen and nav function.

There are 2 options as I learned here:

1. Like speuk, trying to enable nav function in HU_Entrynav.
+: HU remains original incl. integrated combox with service data.
-: Is there a gps antenna plug? FSC´s, map, etc. available? Using emulator wouldn´t be a problem.

2. Buying new NBT Evo HU.
What happens with integrated combox and service data?
Installation would be almost plug&play?
If I have a brandnew HU, is it normally completely empty and will I´ll need FSC´s? Could I use FSC´s from another car - with emulator?

The question in case of such retrofits is also what can BMW see via combox communication (Teleservices etc.)?

[cedchung]

I have only dealt with HU_ENTRYNAV once and it didn't have the GPS antenna input.

[kitster]

Originally Posted by TePee

I have the same issue in an almost new MY2016 F34 with Radio Prof (HU_ENTRYNAV). I´d like to retrofit the 8,8" screen and nav function.

There are 2 options as I learned here:

1. Like speuk, trying to enable nav function in HU_Entrynav.
+: HU remains original incl. integrated combox with service data.
-: Is there a gps antenna plug? FSC´s, map, etc. available? Using emulator wouldn´t be a problem.

2. Buying new NBT Evo HU.
What happens with integrated combox and service data?
Installation would be almost plug&play?
If I have a brandnew HU, is it normally completely empty and will I´ll need FSC´s? Could I use FSC´s from another car - with emulator?

The question in case of such retrofits is also what can BMW see via combox communication (Teleservices etc.)?

1. Like speuk, trying to enable nav function in HU_Entrynav.
+: HU remains original incl. integrated combox with service data.
-: Is there a gps antenna plug? FSC´s, map, etc. available? Using emulator wouldn´t be a problem.

Unless you can get an FSC code generated for your car's VIN you will need an emulator.

2. Buying new NBT Evo HU.
What happens with integrated combox and service data?
Installation would be almost plug&play?
If I have a brandnew HU, is it normally completely empty and will I´ll need FSC´s? Could I use FSC´s from another car - with emulator?

- The combox is built into the NBT. What do you mean by service data?
- If your USB connects directly into the headunit, then it's 90% plug&play. You won't get the handwritting feature to work without adding the module. Everything is just coding and plugging into the back e.g. GPS Antenna.
- Don't get a brand new head unit, it'll cost a fortune and without the FSC codes it's an expensive stereo without NAV. Get one off ebay and don't forget the emulator to use the donor FSC codes. If possible get one with the 6NR (BMW Apps) FSC codes, unfortunately most sellers have no idea if the code is there or ask them for the donor VIN and check online for the original build spec.

[TePee]

Thanks kitster!

I´m a little bit careful with the retrofit as it´s a brandnew car…

One of my main points is this built-in combox and the SIM card. What happens with that if I install a new HU NBT?
As the new HU has a different SIM card, how does it match my car? Will Intelligent Emergeny Call (6AC) and Teleservices (6AE) still work? This is the factory equipment I have.

With service data I meant the maintenance intervals (oil change etc.). Are these normally stored in the Kombi and then transferred to HU (Entrynav or NBT) and its built-in combox? What happens if I have a new HU?

I´m still waiting for my emulator, but maybe I´ll already install NBT. It should work, but only navigation will be inactive (grey), right? Then I could also check FSC codes etc.
In the unlucky case there are no FSCs, I could still inject some from another car, if I can get some.., right?