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      04-10-2016, 04:06 PM   #1
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Politician tax returns....

.. Who cares about this?

I can't help but think them (the politicians) and the media are wasting a lot of time discussing something that isn't actually helping sort out the real problems in this country.

I can understand a lot of people were expecting some serious financial skull-duggery in Cameron's taxes, but really it looks like there was bugger all except what you'd expect any sane and rational person to do if they had a few bob. Anything less then you could as easily argue that he isn't competent to run a country!

So now we have a media circus, as if what tax politicians pay is what's holding us back.

My other thought is who the hell would want to be a politician given the crap they have to deal with, the hours they have to work, and for relatively shite pay.
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I couldn't care less to look at Cameron's tax return, it's all a load of nonsense.

Get on with running the country all of you, then again Corbyn couldn't run a bath so I guess this gives him something to do rather than posing questions from Marjorie in Romford during PMQ's.

It's a bit of a joke really.
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Agreed, waste of time couldn't give a toss.

They are all just jumping on the band wagon now just trying to get more publicity for themselves.
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.. Who cares about this?

I can't help but think them (the politicians) and the media are wasting a lot of time discussing something that isn't actually helping sort out the real problems in this country.

I can understand a lot of people were expecting some serious financial skull-duggery in Cameron's taxes, but really it looks like there was bugger all except what you'd expect any sane and rational person to do if they had a few bob. Anything less then you could as easily argue that he isn't competent to run a country!

So now we have a media circus, as if what tax politicians pay is what's holding us back.

My other thought is who the hell would want to be a politician given the crap they have to deal with, the hours they have to work, and for relatively shite pay.
I agree. I actually think MP's and govt ministers should be paid more: to cater for bright achievers without family wealth.

I also agree this is no news about Cameron. Tbh it's quite tame. Even I know people wealthier!

We need to move on here and put the spotlight back on:-

a) solid reasons to either stay in or leave the EU (I'm not hearing much coherence)

b) Corbyn being a nut job

c) WTF we are going to do about Islamic extremism
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I couldn't care less to look at Cameron's tax return, it's all a load of nonsense.

Get on with running the country all of you, then again Corbyn couldn't run a bath so I guess this gives him something to do rather than posing questions from Marjorie in Romford during PMQ's.

It's a bit of a joke really.
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Yeah it's just so much noise and rather pointless.

As mentioned MP's need paid more.

Scarily, I spent last month interviewing people for a role that pays more than your standard MP.

Most professions cite high wages to attract the best and brightest talent.

So why do we pay the people running our country rather crap wages that are only average.

We should cull a few and pay the rest more.

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Didn't read past the 1st sentence because I couldn't give a rat's ass
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Think these forums and the people on them may be loosing sight of the "average man" UK.

In what world can £70k salary and "rather crap" be in the same sentence?

The average UK salary is apparently £26k.

Saying that you need to offer a decent salary to attract the right talent was the same defence used by the banks. Look how well that 'talent' turned out.

So my $0.02 on the issue would be that an MPs salary is probably about right.

That to one side, and back to main topic this whole "scandal" does seem rather ridiculous.
Nobody was under any illusion that Mr Cameron + Family are doing well for themselves financially. And it sounds like the steps taken are A.) perfectly legal and B.) in-line with what could be reasonably expected of somebody in that position to do.
The way the information has come to light is perhaps the only mark against him.
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It seems to be a competition now!!!! Who next? Having said that, I would like to see Boris Johnson's tax return! How much has he spend on trampolines or Boris bikes do you think?

On another note, we have received our very informative leaflet why we should stay in EU (which I have already read online so this one is going in recyclying bin straight away, brilliant way to waste £9.3 million)
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Think these forums and the people on them may be loosing sight of the "average man" UK.

In what world can £70k salary and "rather crap" be in the same sentence?

The average UK salary is apparently £26k.

Saying that you need to offer a decent salary to attract the right talent was the same defence used by the banks. Look how well that 'talent' turned out.

So my $0.02 on the issue would be that an MPs salary is probably about right.

That to one side, and back to main topic this whole "scandal" does seem rather ridiculous.
Nobody was under any illusion that Mr Cameron + Family are doing well for themselves financially. And it sounds like the steps taken are A.) perfectly legal and B.) in-line with what could be reasonably expected of somebody in that position to do.
The way the information has come to light is perhaps the only mark against him.
Given the responsibility, accountability, importance, workload, expectation that an MP has then I'd expect them to be way beyond "average" in terms of skillset, work ethic, experience etc, and hence also remuneration. These are the people we trust(or otherwise) to run our country afterall, and represent all out best interests.

It's clearly a decent salary, but by no means high, even in the realms of senior civil servants.
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I'd hazard a guess two people in this thread earn more than 70k a year

Not talking about me that's for sure
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I'd hazard a guess two people in this thread earn more than 70k a year

Not talking about me that's for sure
I'd hazard a guess it's more than that, but fairly irrelevant. However I'd expect (or would like to think anyway) that the average MP to considerably more capable than the average 3 series driver... Whether they are or not is clearly debatable!
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Without going into too much detail I was at a function last week and a certain South East Tory MP also attended, I spent a good 10 minutes conversing with him and you would struggle to meet a less impressive guy.

Are they worth £70k a year, well probably but to be honest down South the majority of middle management earn in that region and imo that is the pay grade they probably fit into. Northern MPs would probably be better accountable at the £40k level.
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Are they worth £70k a year, well probably but to be honest down South the majority of middle management earn in that region and imo that is the pay grade they probably fit into. Northern MPs would probably be better accountable at the £40k level.
But isn't paying them that because we think they aren't much cop a bit tail wagging the dog?

I know they don't get paid peanuts, but the old cliche is Pay peanuts, and you get monkeys...

Pay as unspectacular middle manager and get.... erm, unspectacular middle managers?
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Think these forums and the people on them may be loosing sight of the "average man" UK.

In what world can £70k salary and "rather crap" be in the same sentence?

The average UK salary is apparently £26k.

Saying that you need to offer a decent salary to attract the right talent was the same defence used by the banks. Look how well that 'talent' turned out.

So my $0.02 on the issue would be that an MPs salary is probably about right.

That to one side, and back to main topic this whole "scandal" does seem rather ridiculous.
Nobody was under any illusion that Mr Cameron + Family are doing well for themselves financially. And it sounds like the steps taken are A.) perfectly legal and B.) in-line with what could be reasonably expected of somebody in that position to do.
The way the information has come to light is perhaps the only mark against him.
You find £70k and crap in the same sentence when looking at senior management / exec pay.

Yes we can point at the banking sector, however what about rest of finance sector? Technology, Science? Etc? The pay for talent and skills works there, what about doctors? We fail to pay them well and lose skills.

In majority of technology, science, finance, then £70k is senior manager, non board, non exec.

So when looking at leaders of Governement, policy deciders and makers, then £70 is not much in the scheme of things.


Not seen anyone raising uproar about union bosses, look at Len McCluskey he is on £142k.

I would love to see McCluskey returns and a full review of Unite.

How union leaders can possibly justify what they get and their senior management get, beggars belief.

The you have Sturgeon getting paid more than the PM and being unable to make hard decisions.

The average UK salary is likely far lower than £26k, as that includes artificially high London / South East wages.

West Midlands, North East, it's likely £20k.

Reduce the numbers of MP's and pay those in key roles decent money.
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Standard pathetic fare for this country unfortunately. Scandal and exposing scandal is deemed more important than sorting out issues.
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I agree that this media feeding frenzy of Cameron's tax affairs is a bit of a joke as there are far more important issues this country faces. However I can see how it has arisen given that MPs lost the trust of the public after all the expenses scandals.
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The most interesting snippet is that Corbyn was fined £100 for late submission of his return! Want to trust him to run the country and its finances....?
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Also recall reading he couldn't find it and had to ask HMRC for a copy!


however for me this sums up the issue rather well

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politi...20160412107952
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