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      06-17-2019, 07:02 PM   #1
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They’re finally here! 718 GT4 and Spyder revealed

Looks like the official details are finally out:

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2...e-convertible/

Take my damn money! Especially love the Spyder...last of a dying breed, not many NA 6 manual drop-tops out there anymore. Give me that screaming flat 6 with no top.

Only disappointment is they donít seem to push the performance envelope very far beyond the 981. I think many were expecting a 9k redline. If anything it could help preserve 981 values a bit as they seemed to be in free fall as folks were expecting the 718 to be more of a baby-GT3. Net net I still think this will be THE car to have south of $100k (even though we all know the options will push average MSRP well over $100k).
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I want this engine in a GTS package.
I could see it happening with the next gen Cayman.

For the record, it's NOT the GT3 engine. People were jumping onto that rumor train for a while (I recall even getting into a debate about it on this board at some point...) but alas it's not true. Regardless it'll be an exceptional engine and great car.

It uses the current flat 6 engines from the 911 lineup but they've removed the turbos and increased displacement.

"Only" revs to 8k.
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Spyder starts at $97k, gt4 at $100k. Add options and they will be $120-140k easy. 991.1 GT3 in the $105-120k range with warranty until 2024 is a way better value IMO.
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Looks like the official details are finally out:

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2...e-convertible/

Take my damn money! Especially love the Spyder...last of a dying breed, not many NA 6 manual drop-tops out there anymore. Give me that screaming flat 6 with no top.

Only disappointment is they donít seem to push the performance envelope very far beyond the 981. I think many were expecting a 9k redline. If anything it could help preserve 981 values a bit as they seemed to be in free fall as folks were expecting the 718 to be more of a baby-GT3. Net net I still think this will be THE car to have south of $100k (even though we all know the options will push average MSRP well over $100k).

"10 seconds faster around the ring than the previous generation GT4"

I'd say they pushed the performance envelope right off the table

Like you said... Take my money!!!

wondering if this torpedos the prices of the 4banger 718's and the 981 GT4....hope so

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Nearly 200 lbs heavier than the GTS

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...4-photos-info/
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Nearly 200 lbs heavier than the GTS

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...4-photos-info/
I think the GTS might be slightly better with the turbo torque coming on earlier and being the same amount. Also Iím hoping the new GT4 starts making a dent on 2016 GT4 pricing which seem to remain fairly constant.
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Disappointing weight. 150 pounds more than a much larger GT3?
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Spyder starts at $97k, gt4 at $100k. Add options and they will be $120-140k easy. 991.1 GT3 in the $105-120k range with warranty until 2024 is a way better value IMO.
Shame about the two pedal only thing. I haven't looked, but assume R's are still funny money.
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Shame about the two pedal only thing. I haven't looked, but assume R's are still funny money.
The PDK-S in the GT3 is absolutely incredible, I don't miss the third pedal...991.2 GT3's have manual option, but higher price point.
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I was gonna get a GT4 a few years back.

These GT4's are fucking insane. I want that Spyder so badly...
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is it just me or is the stance on the Og Gt4 much better?

this looks like an overdone aftermarket slam job
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Good grief what a gorgeous car. Like others have posted, hopefully this will wreck the price of the former gen so plebs like me can get one.
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I've been lookin at the GT4 for a few months now; even drove one. I'm definitely gonna find a way to drive this before I decide. If the "long gearing" issue is fixed and the car is more an high Rev engine, I'd be sold.
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I really like it, however, good luck at getting one near MSRP.
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Spyder starts at $97k, gt4 at $100k. Add options and they will be $120-140k easy. 991.1 GT3 in the $105-120k range with warranty until 2024 is a way better value IMO.
No manual though. I see your point though. Best case this drives down the 1st gen GT4 price though.

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"10 seconds faster around the ring than the previous generation GT4"

I'd say they pushed the performance envelope right off the table

Like you said... Take my money!!!

wondering if this torpedos the prices of the 4banger 718's and the 981 GT4....hope so
It might change those prices. But I wonder how many will dump their current GT4 for a car that really has no torque advantage and weighs 60 pounds more? It is 10 seconds faster, but that's a long track and tire tech has improved a lot over the last 4 years.

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I've been lookin at the GT4 for a few months now; even drove one. I'm definitely gonna find a way to drive this before I decide. If the "long gearing" issue is fixed and the car is more an high Rev engine, I'd be sold.
From what I read on the Porsche forums it still has that same long gearing issue. Wonder if they intentionally do it on purpose so it doesn't step on the 911's toes ?

seems like most of the guys on rennlist are waiting or a GT4RS
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No manual though. I see your point though. Best case this drives down the 1st gen GT4 price though.



It might change those prices. But I wonder how many will dump their current GT4 for a car that really has no hp advantage and weighs 60 pounds more? It is 10 seconds faster, but that's a long track and tire tech has improved a lot over the last 4 years.



From what I read on the Porsche forums it still has that same long gearing issue. Wonder if they intentionally do it on purpose so it doesn't step on the 911's toes ?

seems like most of the guys on rennlist are waiting or a GT4RS
Well it's based off the 718 chassis and does have 414hp compared to the 385hp the 981 has...the aero has added significant downforce. It is a better all around car especially if they fixed the strut tower issues.

I'd love to see the numbers with the same tires and same driver just to see how much better the 982 vs 981 is around the ring.

That being said, I'd still rather save $30-40K and just buy a slightly used 981 version.

Although if money was no object I'd take the new one for sure.
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Well it's based off the 718 chassis and does have 414hp compared to the 385hp the 981 has...the aero has added significant downforce. It is a better all around car especially if they fixed the strut tower issues.

I'd love to see the numbers with the same tires and same driver just to see how much better the 982 vs 981 is around the ring.

That being said, I'd still rather save $30-40K and just buy a slightly used 981 version.

Although if money was no object I'd take the new one for sure.
I think I flipped the hp/torque. same torque as the old car but +30hp

for sure though on everything else. can't wait for the reviewers to get there hands on them. maybe the advertised hp will be close to what the car is actually putting down at the tire. Porsche loves to sandbag there numbers.
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Disappointing weight. 150 pounds more than a much larger GT3?
The theory is that this is somewhat driven by the fact regulations now require cars stated-weight to be based on the base options. Meaning, Porsche can't option bucket seats, carbon breaks, etc. and then put it on the scales. Not sure how much truth that holds but it seems like a porker especially compared to the 981 GT4.

Curious to see some of the real-world weights once people get these in their hands/press cars etc.
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