[Seagull]

Originally Posted by The Nerd

Seagull....our dynoed horsepowers were very similar (my 290 vs your 288), however, you had a great deal more torque than me (my 294 vs your 320). Regarding the torque....I understand different cars and different conditions can yield variances of 5, 10, maybe 15....but holy cow, you dynoed at 26 lb-ft peak torque more than my car! Could this be a difference in the type of dyno?? AWD vs RWD? It even looks like the temp was almost the same for our tests (my 68 vs your 66). I'm just baffled that our hp are so close, but there mysteriously seems to be something wrong with my torque. Any other plausible explanations? Did I just get a really weak torque-producing N55 from the factory?

There are variances you can't control. Every engine/car is different. BUT that doesn't explain the huge variance. I'm no expert, but I believe in a previous post to you, I already stated that dynoing at 3000miles might be too soon.

You peeked in the oven too early. Your cake hasn't risen yet. But unlike that, nothing's ruined. Your car is still breaking in, getting more efficient, and smoother as the months go on. For instance my old e90 335xi was more fuel efficient than my f30 335i, even with all its fuel saving tech. But I expect that to change after a year of driving.

If I were you, and still paranoid about the tune, I'd drive the car hard and at 10k miles, get your oil changed, and then get the car re-dyno'd.

As I hinted above in my own post, I'll likely re-dyno mine ( purely out of curiosity ) after 6 months or a year and after a few oil changes. I don't expect it to get much better however.


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[FotiosF90M5]

I forgot to quote. Next post down.

[FotiosF90M5]

Originally Posted by TreDirtyFive

based off literature an 8AT car /w the PPK should net roughly 18whp and almost 30wtq but I am sure it makes a touch more (not bad)...but absolutely not the mind-bending power that everyone seems to touting. My JB4 Stg. 2 on map 1 (12.5psi) feels much stronger and actually smoother than my workmate's PPK but he has some more pronounced and sensitive tip-in on cruise that could seemingly feel like more power? But when you go wot it is not even a comparison. My JB4 is set on 50% lagfix (wastegate position) since I wanted a little more natural and linear pedal feel without too much lag and I think it's perfect.

Nothing to discredit the PPK, though, as it definitely feels meatier than stock in the middle and tip-in is improved but top end "feels" exactly the same as stock. I do lust for that engine cover and extra burble though! I do have to say, since I have the JB4 with the flex fuel connectors, that with 40% E85 this car is just a whole other beast and I don't have a DP either, which generally adds another 10+whp and 20+wtq as well as faster spool.

Please note my last car was a 135i N55 DCT /w FBO minus meth and my F30 "feels" just as fast...but let's be real because I'm 100% sure it isn't.

Good post. It is comparable IMO to the stage 1 though. I was expecting it to feel less powerful when I switched but to my surprise power was very similar. Personally I think the ppk makes the car much funner all around. It really does change a lot of everyday driving settings. I'm very happy with it for now. I actually love the f30.

[FotiosF90M5]

Originally Posted by TreDirtyFive

based off literature an 8AT car /w the PPK should net roughly 18whp and almost 30wtq but I am sure it makes a touch more (not bad)...but absolutely not the mind-bending power that everyone seems to touting. My JB4 Stg. 2 on map 1 (12.5psi) feels much stronger and actually smoother than my workmate's PPK but he has some more pronounced and sensitive tip-in on cruise that could seemingly feel like more power? But when you go wot it is not even a comparison. My JB4 is set on 50% lagfix (wastegate position) since I wanted a little more natural and linear pedal feel without too much lag and I think it's perfect.

Nothing to discredit the PPK, though, as it definitely feels meatier than stock in the middle and tip-in is improved but top end "feels" exactly the same as stock. I do lust for that engine cover and extra burble though! I do have to say, since I have the JB4 with the flex fuel connectors, that with 40% E85 this car is just a whole other beast and I don't have a DP either, which generally adds another 10+whp and 20+wtq as well as faster spool.

Please note my last car was a 135i N55 DCT /w FBO minus meth and my F30 "feels" just as fast...but let's be real because I'm 100% sure it isn't.

IMO I think it's stronger than 18whp and 30wtq. To me from my experience with tuned cars I think it's a 335/340 crank Hp and 350/360 crank torque engine.

[tdizzle]

Originally Posted by fotios335i

IMO I think it's stronger than 18whp and 30wtq. To me from my experience with tuned cars I think it's a 335/340 crank Hp and 350/360 crank torque engine.

That is a fair assessment given the engines are underrated stock.

I think many stock cars are dynoing around 275whp/300wtq. It's tough to say what the crank should be since we don't really know the drive train loss, could be 12% could be 15%.

You guys are making me want to dyno my JB4 stage 1 to see if it produces what BMS's car put out. 307whp/340wtq. Anyone else dyno'd a JB4 for kicks with no other mods?

I guess proof could be in the pudding if you will, and take it to the track and run the 1/4 and hope I don't suck at driving. I think Nick keeps getting 13.2 on stock tires with his JB4 over here.

[GuiltyNL]

I have the 6MT with PPK, but I don't hear the exhaust burble in Sport mode when shifting up (or down). Is that normal?

I do hear only a burble when I lift my foot from the gas pedal (so I leave it in a gear and I'm leaving the clutch alone).

I'm driving PPK from day one, but I'm not sure it has been programmed correctly?

[Benjo6]

Anyone have the PPK part number ?

[Seagull]

Originally Posted by GuiltyNL

I have the 6MT with PPK, but I don't hear the exhaust burble in Sport mode when shifting up (or down). Is that normal?

I do hear only a burble when I lift my foot from the gas pedal (so I leave it in a gear and I'm leaving the clutch alone).

I'm driving PPK from day one, but I'm not sure it has been programmed correctly?

That's my experience. The low frequency rumble is experienced when you lift off. Makes sense to me as I can't imagine how you could hear a burble when the exhaust is pushing out high volumes of gas when you are accelerating.

[GuiltyNL]

But do you hear a rumble when lifting off for a gear change?

[The Nerd]

Originally Posted by GuiltyNL

I have the 6MT with PPK, but I don't hear the exhaust burble in Sport mode when shifting up (or down). Is that normal?

I do hear only a burble when I lift my foot from the gas pedal (so I leave it in a gear and I'm leaving the clutch alone).

I'm driving PPK from day one, but I'm not sure it has been programmed correctly?

I have an 8AT and thought I heard a faint overrun burble when lifting off the throttle. Then, I had my wife drive the car with me standing outside the car (yeah, my neighbors probably thought I was weird), and to my surprise, the burble is MUCH louder outside the car from behind.

[Seagull]

Originally Posted by GuiltyNL

But do you hear a rumble when lifting off for a gear change?

I have an AT, but if I did my shift and mimic's my old manual days, yes, I will hear it. It's almost like a negative pressure thing.

Note that I also hear very faint whistling at certain throttle positions.

[GuiltyNL]

I like the rumble, but it's kinda sad not to hear it when shifting up a gear.

[The Nerd]

Update on my MPPK dyno results....

I originally posted my mixed feelings regarding the dyno #s I pulled a few weeks ago. My max WHP was 290hp and max wheel torque was 294 lb-ft. I was especially bothered about the torque #. Well, after thinking about the fact that my #s were done on a Superflow Dyno, I called the facility where the pulls were done and they gave me the "converted" Dynojet #s (I didn't know that was even possible). Anyway....my Dynojet converted values are:

Wheel Hp: 304 hp
Wheel torque: 308 lb-ft

These seem to be more in line with some of the other MPPK dyno #s, but I'm still perplexed by the fact that my torque so closely matches my hp (every other MPPK dyno # I've seen has had MUCH higher torque). Oh well....just thought I'd share.

[DarkTrigger]

Could I ask you guys what price did you pay for the dyno? I'm thinking of getting it dynoed to just make sure the limp mode didn't kill the performance.

[The Nerd]

I paid $125 for three pulls on a Superflow Dyno.

[300hp]

Originally Posted by 300hp

Thanks for the dyno numbers. I have just generally come to the conclusion that the 335i without PPK is one fast car. 4.7 and 13.3@104 is just powerful. Add on PPK and I think we should be good for 4.4 and 13.2@106mph. This being for rwd. These dyno numbers just validate the nature of the beast

Wow looks like I was not far off after all. I had predicted 13.2@106, 4.4 to 60. We now have 4.4 and 13@105.4, hopefully there are more tests to come

[The Nerd]

Originally Posted by 300hp

Wow looks like I was not far off after all. I had predicted 13.2@106, 4.4 to 60. We now have 4.4 and 13@105.4, hopefully there are more tests to come

Where did you see that someone ran a 4.4 and 13@105.4?

[The Nerd]

Originally Posted by The Nerd

Where did you see that someone ran a 4.4 and 13@105.4?

Edit:
Nevermind....found it.

[FunRevn]

I read most of the post and enjoyed everybody's comments. I have an E90 last of the sedans with the factory performance edition which is essentially a power pack with grills.

I got mine port install but test drove many E90s prior to purchase. This car replaces a 2008 M3 that I sold at the end of its lease and decided to get this sedan because of a 1 year old child.

The performance pack Definitely gives this car serious low-end thrust as everybody's described. The standard mode in my car D has now become similar to a car without the PPK in DS or what you guys are calling sport mode. The only shortcoming in my car is the transmission it is a nice six speed automatic but it's too slow on the upshift. However, it is lightning fast when I stand on the accelerator I get a good downshift and immediate thrust forward. It feels even better than my M3 trying to downshift several gears at once.

I'm looking into a Msport 435 to replace this car when its lease expires (child is now 3 and can climb in and out of her car seat) this fall and was considering an MP3 again but after driving my friends I realized I wouldn't be able to give up that low-end thrust. The M3 is an attack car and no matter how serious of an engine you put in that 435 it's never going to be an M3 that but that being said my style of driving now with the family I enjoy the low-end grunt much more than the M3 attack vehicle. If the sport automatic transmission and the variable adjusting suspension is as good as I'm hoping, the Msport 435 with power pack and sport brakes, sport automatic and variable suspension should be a pretty worthy opponents for moderate driving against an M3.

For those of you that have the sport automatic and the PPK, how do you like it? is it is quick like a DCT. For those that have the variable suspension does it handle well when you're in sport mode?

[verbs]

Originally Posted by FunRevn

If the sport automatic transmission and the variable adjusting suspension is as good as I'm hoping, the Msport 435 with power pack and sport brakes, sport automatic and variable suspension should be a pretty worthy opponents for moderate driving against an M3.

For those of you that have the sport automatic and the PPK, how do you like it? is it is quick like a DCT. For those that have the variable suspension does it handle well when you're in sport mode?

Don't forget, these cars don't have a limited slip diff like in an M3, and among other reasons, the handling isn't stellar. It's decent. Electric steering/road feel isn't great either. I actually thought my E92 335i handled better than my F30 M-sport 335i.

[FunRevn]

Originally Posted by verbs

Don't forget, these cars don't have a limited slip diff like in an M3, and among other reasons, the handling isn't stellar. It's decent. Electric steering/road feel isn't great either. I actually thought my E92 335i handled better than my F30 M-sport 335i.

Yeah that Limited slip sure is fun. I wonder if the dynamic handling package helps. When you order it on the 435 it comes with the variable steering system I have active steering on my current E90 and I really like it but that's with a hydraulic steering system not an electric so I'm not sure how that would work out anybody?

[Blacked out 2013]

I have been debating on purchasing this once I found out about in from googling about my new 2013 F30 335i. I would have added before delivery had I known previously. My best friend informed me about this forum/ website and it has been very helpful so far. I'm up to page 20 in this thread so I still have a way to go before I'm finished reading it all. To this point I am sold and impressed and will order this upcoming week if indent go on vacation. I had already had my M performance rocker panel decals and they look great. Can anyone tell me what I should expect to pay and what is fair labor install price from dealership. Had my dealership quote me $400. I already have decals installed so wouldn't need to pay for that again. I will try to attach a pic of the decals with this post.