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      10-26-2021, 02:14 PM   #617
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A note I should've added because I don't want to give the impression of undermining the M2:

I absolutely love the F87 M2. If the G87 looks like an abomination, that's likely the route I'll go...outdated interior and all...the exterior and driving pleasure make up for it ten fold.
I owned a 2018 M2 and I didn't mind the interior at the time but it was at best very basic 2014 BMW. Today it looks archaic. I'm totally fine with this new, modern interior.
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Not sure if G87 looks and feels good or bad; it certainly is different

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I think this car is a winner, hell I’d even drive the 240i as I think that’s a helluva car for the price. As long as they don’t somehow surprise us all with the trash G80/82 grills this is going to be my next car in 2023.

I’ll just have to deal with the damned dash and the boring mirrors.
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I’ll just have to deal with the damned dash and the boring mirrors.
This!

I hope it is everything we all want it to be to get past the dam video game screen.
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Not sure if G87 looks and feels good or bad; it certainly is different

That g87 mockup looks ugly

Hopefully bmw has some tricks up their sleeve when the real thing is revealed
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I owned a 2018 M2 and I didn't mind the interior at the time but it was at best very basic 2014 BMW. Today it looks archaic. I'm totally fine with this new, modern interior.
Why do you think they put real physical dials and switches in 3 million super cars and not just some giant ipad thing?

Cause some things are classic and timeless for a reason, where as all this 'tech' nowadays can look outdated when the next wave of tech hits
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Why do you think they put real physical dials and switches in 3 million super cars and not just some giant ipad thing?

Cause some things are classic and timeless for a reason, where as all this 'tech' nowadays can look outdated when the next wave of tech hits
I am fine with the “old” tech in my F87. Give me classic gauges. Hell I put up with the old tech in my E39 M5 for 11y and never felt cheated or like I was missing something. I guess I am a c”a”rmudgeon.

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I am fine with the “old” tech in my F87. Give me classic gauges.
Agreed. I still don't like the latest BMW dashboards with the reverse tachometer gauge. They were fixing something that didn't need fixing and made it worse.
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Why do you think they put real physical dials and switches in 3 million super cars and not just some giant ipad thing?

Cause some things are classic and timeless for a reason, where as all this 'tech' nowadays can look outdated when the next wave of tech hits
Yeah I don’t get this, I vastly prefer the interior of my F8x cars over the G82 I had for a short time. The interior on the G8x was a letdown honestly outside the carbon buckets. Gimme dials and switches!
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I am fine with the “old” tech in my F87. Give me classic gauges. Hell I put up with the old tech in my E39 M5 from 11y and never felt cheated or like I was missing something. I guess I am a c”a”rmudgeon.
Those aren't coming back. Not in a top level BMW or in pretty well any automaker outside of base models and cheap cars. You can complain for days on end but it's not going to change anything.
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Those aren't coming back. Not in a top level BMW or in pretty well any automaker outside of base models and cheap cars. You can complain for days on end but it's not going to change anything.
Oh I know that. I was not asking for it. I was just wondering why Porsche, Jag, Audi and others can still have a real instrument cluster area where the screen lives and a separate one for everything else like Idrive 7 is and have it look good and function well. I just dont like Idrive 8’s cheap looking video game screen.
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I am fine with the “old” tech in my F87. Give me classic gauges. Hell I put up with the old tech in my E39 M5 from 11y and never felt cheated or like I was missing something. I guess I am a c”a”rmudgeon.
Those aren't coming back. Not in a top level BMW or in pretty well any automaker outside of base models and cheap cars. You can complain for days on end but it's not going to change anything.
Don't find where he's asking for them to come back. Just a modern interpretation of them like what Porsche did (see below) would be more than fine. BMW did a complete makeover and made it worse.


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Oh I know that. I was not asking for it. I was just wondering why Porsche, Jag, Audi and others can still have a real instrument cluster area where the screen lives and a separate one for everything else like Idrive 7 is and have it look good and function well. I just dont like Idrive 8’s cheap looking video game screen.
I've never been a fan if ID7 Live Cockpit Pro. The actual display is dark and not as vibrant as other manufacturer LCD displays and I have never liked the boomerang gauges. ID8 looks to have the similar counterintuitive gauges but I hope that it has other options unlike ID7 that lacks much in the way of customizability as you are stuck with a single view unless you have an M car where you get the other option that is better but still not the best. At least from what I've seen the ID8 LCD is brighter and more vibrant which to me is an improvement. I have no issue with the MB copycat screen setup as IMO it looks great in the E-class.
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Time to fire Markus Flasch. He's gone to far with approving all this shit.
Stick to your e92 bruv. Progress isn't for everyone 👍
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Stick to your e92 bruv. Progress isn't for everyone 👍
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My biggest problem with the new M2 isn't the tech, the touchscreens or wahtever.
It's that rear.....
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My biggest problem with the new M2 isn't the tech, the touchscreens or wahtever.
It's that rear.....
The taillights are definitely the worse part of the rear but hopefully the M treatment will fix the overly busy M240i front and rear bumper treatments.

The taillights and the video Idrive 8 screen will be the two hurdles for me to get over if the rest of the car is spectacular. Manual, RWD and all!
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I just hope I can get one in Red
Would be nice if they gave a different option other than Melbourne as well.
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the second-generation bmw m2 will have even stronger performance and more versatility than the well-received current model when it reaches uk showrooms by the end of 2022, according to insiders.

The new version of m division’s smallest model is based on the upcoming third-generation 2 series coupé, which has been comprehensively re-engineered with a revised line-up of longitudinally mounted engines, a new eight-speed automatic gearbox, an updated platform, a significantly stiffer body structure and more advanced electronic architecture.

The changes provide the new, g87-generation m2, which is now testing in relatively light camouflage as its reveal nears, with much closer engineering ties to other m models than today’s m2 has. M division insiders say this will enable the new m2 to offer a further step up in performance while helping it to retain a reputation for dynamic excellence through the sharing of key components.

An internal source told autocar: “it’s more powerful, with greater torque, but sharper, too. It’s still puristic, a driver’s car, but with a broader spread of characteristics, a greater divide between comfort and sport, than what we’ve seen up to now.”

central to the model-specific changes for the upcoming porsche cayman gts rival is the arrival of bmw m’s s58 engine. The twin-turbocharged 3.0-litre six-cylinder unit was introduced on the x3 m and x4 m, and more recently deployed in the new m3 and m4. It will replace the existing m2’s long-running n55 unit, introduced in 2009, as well as the s55 engine used by the more potent m2 competition and m2 cs.

Key elements of the s58 engine include a newly designed crankcase, a longer stroke, a reworked cylinder head and a more efficient induction system, which uses two mono-scroll turbochargers in place of the single turbocharger in the engine it replaces. As with the older s55 engine, it also gets a petrol particulate filter.

Utocar understands the new inline powerplant, which will be updated to meet euro 7 emission regulations during the m2’s planned seven-year life cycle, will be offered in two states of tune in a move mirroring that of the new m3 and m4 – both with a 7200rpm redline – although only the higher-output competition car is likely to be available in the uk.

Standard m2 models are expected to receive up to 410bhp, with the successor to today’s m2 competition set to offer up to 430bhp, just 50bhp short of the standard m3 and m4. The rise in power is claimed to be accompanied by a moderate lift in torque. Bmw m sources have revealed to autocar that the new m2 could have as much as 428lb ft – 22lb ft more than the existing m2 competition and m2 cs.

Bmw will offer the new m2 with the choice of either a standard six-speed manual or a new eight-speed torque-converter automatic with steering wheel-mounted shift paddles. The auto replaces the current seven-speed dual-clutch item, which will no longer be available on the m2.

Both the standard and competition models will have rear-wheel drive with an electronically controlled m differential. Although four-wheel drive is now offered on the car’s m3 and m4 siblings, an xdrive m2 is not planned.

The styling of the new m2 is closely related to that of the new m240i xdrive. Distinguishing elements include a new-look front end with a lower and wider kidney grille than that seen on today’s m2 competition. Set within a deep front bumper, it goes without traditional fixed vertical louvres, adopting electronically operated active elements that open and close to suit the cooling and heating demands of the new engine.

The headlights, led as standard, also adopt a more angular design and will be offered with optional laser projectors, with dynamic indicators housed within the front lenses.

The bonnet adopts a prominent power dome and the wheel arches have been enlarged to accommodate wheels of up to 20in. A more pronounced shoulder line runs back to form wider haunches below the rear side windows. The windscreen and rear window are also more heavily raked than on the first-generation m2, giving it an altogether sleeker appearance.

In keeping with more recent m models, the tail-lights have a heavily structured design with oled graphics while the boot slopes down towards the rear and receives a larger lip spoiler than today’s model for added downforce. A wider diffuser is also integrated into the bottom of the rear bumper.

An optional carbonfibre package will allow prospective customers to specify the new car with various carbonfibre elements, including the roof and door mirrors, although the m2 competition is set to get a carbonfibre roof as standard.

The new coupé has grown in size, albeit only moderately over today’s 4468mm-long, 1984mm-wide and 1410mm-tall m2 competition. Along with the increase in dimensions, the wheelbase has been extended by 51mm, at 2744mm, and the tracks have been widened at the front and rear. Crucially, the new m2 will match the 50:50 weight distribution of the less powerful m240i.

Autocar has been told the clar platform adopted by the new 2 series provides a 40% increase in body rigidity compared with the structure used by the old model. The new m2 will add further rigidity with its own unique front suspension dome brace strut and a new brace integrated within the rear suspension.

Underpinning the new m2 is a heavily reworked macpherson strut front and multi-link rear suspension. Among the benefits of the new set-up cited by bmw m engineers is its ability to support increased front camber. It will be available with the choice of either lift-related or variable dampers.

In a significant shift in m division operations, the next m2 will be manufactured alongside other 2 series models at bmw’s newly established factory in san luis potosí, mexico. The previous m2 was produced exclusively at bmw’s leipzig plant in germany. Details about the sourcing of key components, including the s58 engine, have yet to be made official, although insiders suggest it will continue to be manufactured at bmw’s munich engine plant.

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Kinda bummed it lost its boxy fenders from the earlier prototype.
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Front fenders look super wide, awesome
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