[Broncho]

Brother in law came round in a new 19 plate Evoque P300 HSE, it’s a loaner as his 67 plate Evoque has broken down for the 4th time in 8000 miles and had to be taken in.

Got outside to it and it has a misted tail light and the rear view mirror is a camera that’s gone all fuzzy, not a good start for a 2800 mile car.

The tech still doesn’t feel as up to date as the German boys.

It’s just a bit meh and far more style over substance in my opinion, as for being near 300 bhp well it must’ve been dragging a parachute behind it.

It’ll sell like hot cakes

[mikeoz]

Sounds like a normal LR ownership experience...

[335dX]

Originally Posted by mikeoz

Sounds like a normal LR ownership experience...

Absolutely. They’ve always been shit, they’re shit now, and they’ll always be shit unfortunately.

I can remember starting work at a Land Rover dealership in 2011 and the dealer principle said to me: ‘people only buy a Land Rover so that when they’re talking to they’re mates in the pub, and the friends ask where’s your motor? They can say oh it’s at the dealers!!!’

and that goes for Jaguar now too....worked for them too and they’re also shit.

[TouringPleb]

Originally Posted by .,.

Absolutely. They’ve always been shit, they’re shit now, and they’ll always be shit unfortunately.

I can remember starting work at a Land Rover dealership in 2011 and the dealer principle said to me: ‘people only buy a Land Rover so that when they’re talking to they’re mates in the pub, and the friends ask where’s your motor? They can say oh it’s at the dealers!!!’

and that goes for Jaguar now too....worked for them too and they’re also shit.

We had a Freelander 2 where in 60,000 miles the only thing that went wrong was the ventilation was blowing hot air out of one vent when it should have been chilled for some reason. A software upgrade sorted it out.

We then had a 60 plate Jag XF which again, in about 60,000 miles only needed a software upgrade for strangely the same fault. Loved the XF. It was the 3.0d V6 which drove really nicely. Fast, smooth and handled very nicely.

Sounds like we were lucky.

[RobUK]

Originally Posted by TouringPleb

Sounds like we were lucky.

Care to buy me a lottery ticket?

[Broncho]

Here's a pic, nice looking in this spec but this one is around £50k so I'm told! No idea on monthlies.

[F20MAW73]

That does look really nice to be fair 👍

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by .,.

Absolutely. They’ve always been shit, they’re shit now, and they’ll always be shit unfortunately.

I can remember starting work at a Land Rover dealership in 2011 and the dealer principle said to me: ‘people only buy a Land Rover so that when they’re talking to they’re mates in the pub, and the friends ask where’s your motor? They can say oh it’s at the dealers!!!’

and that goes for Jaguar now too....worked for them too and they’re also shit.

Originally Posted by mikeoz

Sounds like a normal LR ownership experience...

I have to say, I couldn't disagree more. My RRS was flawless in reality and the dealer (ownership) experience was top top drawer.

I do feel that early releases are not well manufactured though. Seems this might be the case here with the new Evoque. Shame but I hope the owner gets it all sorted Bronchski. One good thing is you can really keep the PCP mileage low due to the loaners...

[teaston]

Originally Posted by TouringPleb

We had a Freelander 2 where in 60,000 miles the only thing that went wrong was the ventilation was blowing hot air out of one vent when it should have been chilled for some reason. A software upgrade sorted it out.

We then had a 60 plate Jag XF which again, in about 60,000 miles only needed a software upgrade for strangely the same fault. Loved the XF. It was the 3.0d V6 which drove really nicely. Fast, smooth and handled very nicely.

Sounds like we were lucky.

My Dad had 2 Freelander 2’s and had barely any problems, he’s now got a Discovery Sport and has had loads of problems, including a new rear diff and 2 new heater matrix’s!

Freelander 2’s were from the Ford era (actually I think some early ones had BMW engines from the original Freelander), it’s since Tata ownership that things have gone tits up.

[TimMcC]

Originally Posted by teaston

My Dad had 2 Freelander 2’s and had barely any problems, he’s now got a Discovery Sport and has had loads of problems, including a new rear diff and 2 new heater matrix’s!

Freelander 2’s were from the Ford era (actually I think some early ones had BMW engines from the original Freelander), it’s since Tata ownership that things have gone tits up.

Conversely, I know 3 people with a Discovery Sport with zero problems!

Nice enough car, although I wouldn't buy one as I don't like the looks or engine choices.

[doncarlyon]

The only Land Rover I would have is a Defender

[TodmordenLad]

Originally Posted by doncarlyon

The only Land Rover I would have is a Defender

+1

I had one in my early twenties
It wasnt particularly reliable but my neighbour on the edge of Dartmoor used to fix it for a couple of pints

[TodmordenLad]

Originally Posted by Broncho

Here's a pic, nice looking in this spec but this one is around £50k so I'm told! No idea on monthlies.

Quite handsome...but for £50k list, there are loads of better drives for the price. Loads.

[bishbosh]

Originally Posted by teaston

My Dad had 2 Freelander 2’s and had barely any problems, he’s now got a Discovery Sport and has had loads of problems, including a new rear diff and 2 new heater matrix’s!

Freelander 2’s were from the Ford era (actually I think some early ones had BMW engines from the original Freelander), it’s since Tata ownership that things have gone tits up.

Mate had a Freelander 2, he'd often get parts from Ford as they were a lot cheaper than getting them from LR. His was an 09 plate and he had a few issues split boost hose, knackered starter motor, numerous faulty wheel bearings. He chopped it in at 190k miles for a Disco Sport - for the prestige more than anything

[RobUK]

Have a friend in the asbestos removal business who will only drive his ageing Discovery and he freely admits it's the most unreliable car he's ever owned. However he covers a lot of miles and swears that it's the only car he's ever driven that doesn't give him backache, so he's keeping it unless it dies completely or gets written off in which case he'd probably get another 2nd hand one. So, poor reliability doesn't stop some people.

[335dX]

Originally Posted by TouringPleb

We had a Freelander 2 where in 60,000 miles the only thing that went wrong was the ventilation was blowing hot air out of one vent when it should have been chilled for some reason. A software upgrade sorted it out.

We then had a 60 plate Jag XF which again, in about 60,000 miles only needed a software upgrade for strangely the same fault. Loved the XF. It was the 3.0d V6 which drove really nicely. Fast, smooth and handled very nicely.

Sounds like we were lucky.

We never had issues with Freelanders or Defenders, but of course a Freelander was never a Range Rover, it was a Land Rover....built for a different market.

Again XF’s were on a different platform to the current stuff, I was talking bout current XF and XE and F-Pace ... which are really shit!

[MashinBenzin]

Originally Posted by .,.

We never had issues with Freelanders or Defenders, but of course a Freelander was never a Range Rover, it was a Land Rover....built for a different market.

Again XF's were on a different platform to the current stuff, I was talking bout current XF and XE and F-Pace ... which are really shit!

I've heard plenty of freelander horror stories first-hand. I think with all of them, if you get a bad one then you are in trouble. And there are a few more bad ones than the Germans, according to the likes of JDPower.

[330XDave]

Originally Posted by JustChris

I have to say, I couldn't disagree more. My RRS was flawless in reality and the dealer (ownership) experience was top top drawer.

I do feel that early releases are not well manufactured though. Seems this might be the case here with the new Evoque. Shame but I hope the owner gets it all sorted Bronchski. One good thing is you can really keep the PCP mileage low due to the loaners...

How long did you own it for though Chris? You do have a reputation for swapping your cars rather often!

[RoShambolt]

I did the dealership circuit in Milton Keynes new car shopping for my dad, we hit every dealer in one day, he was looking at a mid size SUV/4x4.

In the Land Rover dealership they had a new Evoque, again £50k plus list price. The biggest shocker with it was the absolutely atrocious standard of the leather on the rear seats, it was badly creased and poorly stitched, I have honestly seen better rear seat leather on cars a quarter of the price. We both couldn't believe they would have it as an example in the showroom.

We both concluded that the new Q3 s-line was the best of the lot to replace his 2017 XC60 that he's bored of, the interior just seemed to be a fair bit ahead of what others were offering for the price point.
My dad decided not to buy in the end that day.......then days later went out on his own and bought another exact same XC60 base model but the new shape, go figure.

[225]

I have to say I had a trip in a recent RR sport the other day and was quite underwhelmed. The satnav graphics were woeful and interior was far from a top of the line luxury 4x4 I was expecting. Maybe newer ones are better but not where my cash would be going.

[MashinBenzin]

Originally Posted by 225

I have to say I had a trip in a recent RR sport the other day and was quite underwhelmed. The satnav graphics were woeful and interior was far from a top of the line luxury 4x4 I was expecting. Maybe newer ones are better but not where my cash would be going.

Agree on the tech/nav - iDrive is in a different league to the JLR system, as is MMI. Apart from JLR digital dash being better than BMW's.

Luxury wise, though, I thought the two RRS models that I drove (2018 HSE Dynamic/Autobiography) were similarly in a different league to the G05 X5 in luxury - and that was a well-specced extended merino one. The X5 was noisier mechanically, didn't ride as well and had some switches and plastics that were a little bit unbecoming.

Probably all comes down to different tastes/expectations, or spec.