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      02-09-2013, 11:44 PM   #199
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I don't get the point of this car, just give us a proper wagon dammit!

.. and lose the silly fender boomerang sticker thing.
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I never associated the GT combination of letters with anything ugly and stupid until now, good work BMW. you f$%@ed one of the sportiest combination of letters there is...well, two if we count "m3"
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I never associated the GT combination of letters with anything ugly and stupid until now, good work BMW. you f$%@ed one of the sportiest combination of letters there is...well, two if we count "m3"
I'm guessing you've never seen the 5GT...
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Why? Because people with more brains and money than all of you said that there's a market for it! They're pulling profits, mind your own business.

What was that commercial - You don't want your doctor doing your job, don't do his? Same concept. You guys must be real pros since you just lease their vehicles.

Would I get one? Probably not - but that's because if I wanted a bigger car I'd get a F10
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You should visit the BMW 5er GT forum to see how these customers enjoy the attributes of that car. Having looked at some online comments and reports it seems the media and others always overlook the fact that BMW has more markets than just the US.
And that there is markets where this Car will actually respond well. I like the 5er GT because it is different, I know that it will be a rarity to see someone have the same car , its individuality is its appeal , as is its ambience. The 3er GT which I have driven to Switzerland is actually very capable as a Gran Tourer the drive was effortless and the car took it in its stride.
In Europe we are seeing mainstream customers departing to premium brands and for those that need extra flexibility , crave a more dynamic car and want a BMW. 3er GT is in prime position to use that advantage.

The car is still a 3er and with it comes the successful 3er formula , although now it increases its appeal and flexibility to make the 3er stand out more as an individual model.
It is good to read that some are warming to the car after initial establishment.
I reckon our 530d GT could make way for a 3er GT.
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Between the confusing product proliferation, fussy designs, egregious pricing, and decreasing levels of driver involvement, I have to wonder if BMW will become the rich man's version of the Camry.
Somehow, if BMW can garner Camry sales numbers, I don't think they'd mind one bit being the "rich man's" Camry, notwithstanding that one need not be rich to buy a 3er.

I have to agree about BMW being confusing these days. It's not that I don't see the point of the 3GT; I do. What I don't get is BMW's current pricing structures.

Almost across the entire 1 and 3 ranges, here in the US, if you take a lower numbered car and equip it to match the next higher numbered car that has only your must have options, the price variance alone - usually $1400 - $2500 -- is almost never enough to justify buying the lower numbered car. I've found that to be so for the X1 vs. X3, 320i vs. 328i, and the 328i vs. the 335i. In the E-series cars, the E91 was more expensive than an similarly equipped X3. It's no wonder folks bought SUVs instead of wagons given the similarity in cargo capacity and fuel economy.

Now, with the E91 and 3GT coming, it remains to be seen which model -- X1, 3GT, X3 or E91 -- will be the most compelling, especially with folks for whom rear legroom is not especially important.

(Yes, the legroom in the X1 is a bit less than that in the 3-type vehicles, but it's enough for any adult on a 60 minute or less trip. After all, it's more legroom than you'll find in coach on an airplane, and God knows we've all sat there for an hour or more.)
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Now, with the E91 and 3GT coming, it remains to be seen which model -- X1, 3GT, X3 or E91 -- will be the most compelling, especially with folks for whom rear legroom is not especially important.
Huh?
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Huh?
I think he meant the F31 (i.e. new 3er wagon).
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I think he meant the F31 (i.e. new 3er wagon).
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Any idea on pricing?
About 1600 euro more than the touring. Probably 500$ in the states
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About 1600 euro more than the touring. Probably 500$ in the states
... yeah to start with - then with some typical options it'll be jump to $50-55K
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The more I read about it, the more I like it. The 328GT and 928GT would make a good match
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The 3 series with it's little kidney grills has a very pedestrian look to me and there are so many, they might as well have badged them "Taurus". So it comes as no surprise that the 3 series fans don't like the 3GT. Yawn. Good. Many of you seem to think a wagon looks good as well. Double good. You aren't the audience for the 3GT and BMW doesn't exist to give you cars only you like.

I'm the target audience for this car and I think it's great. Wagons are just plain ugly and I wouldn't be caught dead in one. Ditto a sedan. For that matter, the effeminate banana design of the X3 and X1 are also difficult to warm up to. That's where the Pontiac designers went. Pull up behind either one and what you see is a Vibe with misaligned tail lights. For those of us with a sport activity lifestyle, until now, those X cars were our only BMW choices at a price point under the X5 and X6.

The higher entry height, overall size, interior space with a hatchback are a great combo and BMW's put them in a nice aggressive design. The GT is a great package for those of us who want a car with the multiple personalities of DHP, has a great interior space for the occasional group outing/kids/grandkids/carseat+4 adults yet doubles up for when cargo space is needed all without having to haul around the big empty box in the back 24x7 that the SUVs require. Putting this vehicle as a 3 series instead of the X4 that people thought was coming made it even more attractive as the options and packages of the 3 series are more driver oriented.

Awesome!

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... yeah to start with - then with some typical options it'll be jump to $50-55K
You realize a loaded 328i is $56K (or more) MSRP?

I would expect a F34 optioned like I'd like (i.e. identical to my current car) to sticker at ~$62K.

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The 3 series with it's little kidney grills has a very pedestrian look to me and there are so many, they might as well have badged them Taurus'. So it comes as no surprise that the 3 series fans don't like the 3GT. Yawn. Good. Many of you seem to think a wagon looks good as well. Double good. You aren't the audience for the 3GT and BMW doesn't exist to give you cars only you like.

I'm the target audience for this car and I think it's great. Wagons are just plain ugly and I wouldn't be caught dead in one. Ditto a sedan. For that matter, the effeminate banana design of the X3 and X1 are also difficult to warm up to. That's where the Pontiac designers went. Pull up behind either one and what you see is a Vibe with misaligned tail lights. For those of us with a sport activity lifestyle, until now, those X cars were our only BMW choices at a price point under the X5 and X6.

The higher entry height, overall size, interior space with a hatchback are a great combo and BMW's put them in a nice aggressive design. The GT is a great package for those of us who want a car with the multiple personalities of DHP, has a great interior space for the occasional group outing/kids/grandkids/carseat+4 adults yet doubles up for when cargo space is needed all without having to haul around the big empty box in the back 24x7 that the SUVs require. Putting this vehicle as a 3 series instead of the X4 that people thought was coming made it even more attractive as the options and packages of the 3 series are more driver oriented.

Awesome!
I agree with this.. From some angles, the GT looks almost like what you'd expect an X4 to look like, yet even more squashed down.
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...From some angles, the GT looks almost like what you'd expect an X4 to look like, yet even more squashed down.
Exactly. I dare say, if there were a hybrid powertrain, I'd like it even more.

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Exactly. I dare say, if there were a hybrid powertrain, I'd like even more.
I would like to see a hybrid F34 as well, but I'm afraid it would top 4100lbs. Which is just too damn heavy for something on a 3-series chassis. A 325d version sounds appealing, however.
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Yes, the weight of BMW's two motor hybrid power train leaves them no quarter but to put diesels in the US product line as lipstick for the CAFE standards. Pity.
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The 3 series with it's little kidney grills has a very pedestrian look to me and there are so many, they might as well have badged them "Taurus". So it comes as no surprise that the 3 series fans don't like the 3GT. Yawn. Good. Many of you seem to think a wagon looks good as well. Double good. You aren't the audience for the 3GT and BMW doesn't exist to give you cars only you like.

I'm the target audience for this car and I think it's great. Wagons are just plain ugly and I wouldn't be caught dead in one. Ditto a sedan. For that matter, the effeminate banana design of the X3 and X1 are also difficult to warm up to. That's where the Pontiac designers went. Pull up behind either one and what you see is a Vibe with misaligned tail lights. For those of us with a sport activity lifestyle, until now, those X cars were our only BMW choices at a price point under the X5 and X6.

The higher entry height, overall size, interior space with a hatchback are a great combo and BMW's put them in a nice aggressive design. The GT is a great package for those of us who want a car with the multiple personalities of DHP, has a great interior space for the occasional group outing/kids/grandkids/carseat+4 adults yet doubles up for when cargo space is needed all without having to haul around the big empty box in the back 24x7 that the SUVs require. Putting this vehicle as a 3 series instead of the X4 that people thought was coming made it even more attractive as the options and packages of the 3 series are more driver oriented.

Awesome!
I totally agree with you.
That's why I'm not trying to convince anyone that this is the car for them, hopefully it stays unpopular, so there'll be less of them on the road and we can get it at a better discount. lol
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I totally agree with you.
That's why I'm not trying to convince anyone that this is the car for them, hopefully it stays unpopular, so there'll be less of them on the road and we can get it at a better discount. lol
Very good point.

A good example... the F30 335i. Allocations are in short supply and most dealers are not being aggressive with discounting. The AH3 on the other hand... can be aggressively negotiated on, and allocations seem plentiful. I'm not sure if dealers have a quota on moving certain sub-models or not, but it probably looks good to sell more of AH3 (or 3er GT) related to other dealers, because inherently its a tougher sale.
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