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paimon.soror · 04-04-2018, 10:18 PM

you know whats interesting ... the ignition timing 2 graph around the time of the knock detection

every other log i have the timings all seem to match. Most likely the reaction to the knock.

FSociety · 04-04-2018, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by paimon.soror

Wierdness, experienced some knock today during normal driving. Didn't really feel anything, i was actually just testing the new updates to the agent and the dashboard.

https://datazap.me/u/paimonsoror/bm3...d?log=0&data=8

Posted a support request on the Map, hopefully it is benign. I wasn't able to reproduce more knocking after i got home and drove to and from the gym.

FSociety How is your gear hesitation going. Ive noticed mine getting progressively more pronounced after the car has sat for a while. Almost like a gentle 'buck' when the car shifts. I was actually hoping to capture the gear hesitations in my logs when i realized I was knocking a bit.

So it wasn't a full hesitation after driving more and more on V5 E30 (totally gone) but V5 93oct STG2 I noticed a slight
I'm running V5 E30 for the past full week

E20 blend went well, now running E25 going to test tomorrow more.

paimon.soror · 04-05-2018, 09:45 AM

From Halim@HCP

"Nothing to worry about, you should worry if it happens at WOT high rpm."

coolguy1o1 · 04-05-2018, 02:51 PM

I heard that BM3 makes a stage 2 tune for the Activehybrid 3. Is this true?

FSociety · 04-05-2018, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by paimon.soror

From Halim@HCP

"Nothing to worry about, you should worry if it happens at WOT high rpm."

Yes I was going to say this but thought that was obvious

Sometimes even a bad batch of gas can knock but if the knock is persistent then there's something to check

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Originally Posted by Coolguy1o1

I heard that BM3 makes a stage 2 tune for the Activehybrid 3. Is this true?

No, not enough customers that have AH3. I remember hearing a few months ago it will have to be custom when compared to the user-base of say N20/N55/S55/N63TU/S63TU. Time-consuming and not enough testers to have OTS maps last heard they were not supporting it anymore due to this.

paimon.soror · 04-05-2018, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by FSociety

Yes I was going to say this but thought that was obvious

Sometimes even a bad batch of gas can knock but if the knock is persistent then there's something to check

Yea, I am just paranoid i guess

https://datazap.me/u/paimonsoror/bm3...log=0&data=4-8

Seems to happen mostly when the engine is colder vs fully warmed up. Ride home, leaving work, she detected 4 knocks. WOT is still fine.

Just wierds me out because there isn't really anything that would indicate why the knock is happening. Boost is nearly nil, timings are all inline, and i wouldn't think that the timings are aggressive at cold start low rpm.

the dope steez · 04-05-2018, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by paimon.soror

Yea, I am just paranoid i guess

https://datazap.me/u/paimonsoror/bm3...log=0&data=4-8

Seems to happen mostly when the engine is colder vs fully warmed up. Ride home, leaving work, she detected 4 knocks. WOT is still fine.

Just wierds me out because there isn't really anything that would indicate why the knock is happening. Boost is nearly nil, timings are all inline, and i wouldn't think that the timings are aggressive at cold start low rpm.

One day I will flash back to stock and do some logs to compare and be able to see exactly what the tune is doing. If detonation still occurs on the stock map I'm thinking it's just part of owning an internal combustion engine.

F30_SixSpeed · 04-05-2018, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by paimon.soror

Yea, I am just paranoid i guess

https://datazap.me/u/paimonsoror/bm3...log=0&data=4-8

Seems to happen mostly when the engine is colder vs fully warmed up. Ride home, leaving work, she detected 4 knocks. WOT is still fine.

Just wierds me out because there isn't really anything that would indicate why the knock is happening. Boost is nearly nil, timings are all inline, and i wouldn't think that the timings are aggressive at cold start low rpm.

Just looked at your logs. Think you are over analyzing way too much.

Unless I am looking at something completely different... all the knock I'm seeing in your logs happens below 2k rpm at barely 25% throttle and under no boost... as in you are barely pushing the gas pedal. I wouldn't worry about it unless its happening when you are on throttle and boost is building. It's so sporadic ... probably just picking up some false knock.

FSociety · 04-05-2018, 08:02 PM

Switch gas station/brand

paimon.soror · 04-05-2018, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by F30_SixSpeed

Just looked at your logs. Think you are over analyzing way too much.

Unless I am looking at something completely different... all the knock I'm seeing in your logs happens below 2k rpm at barely 25% throttle and under no boost... as in you are barely pushing the gas pedal. I wouldn't worry about it unless its happening when you are on throttle and boost is building. It's so sporadic ... probably just picking up some false knock.

I agree, def just my engineering OCD trying to answer the "Why" lol. But yea, def attributing it to some false knock given the rest of the parameters.

matty088 · 04-05-2018, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by paimon.soror

I agree, def just my engineering OCD trying to answer the "Why" lol. But yea, def attributing it to some false knock given the rest of the parameters.

I bet it’s crap gas. At low rpm and light throttle Engine is lugging

paimon.soror · 04-05-2018, 08:37 PM

Shell 93

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Originally Posted by matty088

I bet it’s crap gas. At low rpm and light throttle Engine is lugging

eh?

low rpm + little to no throttle + light load != lugging

matty088 · 04-05-2018, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by paimon.soror

Shell 93

eh?

low rpm + little to no throttle + light load != lugging

Yeah are u six speed? I mean like low power. Not enough rpm. You are light on the pedal. Then give it some throttle and the engine Lugs.

paimon.soror · 04-05-2018, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by matty088

Yeah are u six speed? I mean like low power. Not enough rpm. You are light on the pedal. Then give it some throttle and the engine Lugs.

8at

look at my logs again. theres no heavy throttle action.

i know what lugging is ... that's not at all whats going on

none the less, will give it a fresh tank and make sure it doesn't continue into the higher rpm/load ranges

drwillb · 04-06-2018, 11:29 AM

Sorry for asking about a different platform but this is by far the most active thread on the forums.

I've read all 19 pages of this thread and I saw a couple of posts regarding the e82 N55 PWG. Mine is a 2012 with locked DME. Is BM3 available for this? If not, will it be?

There's no mention of it on the PTF website.

Thank you

homanmaster · 04-06-2018, 01:27 PM

If I am running Stage 2 OTS map E30, is it still safe to run a full tank of 93 in the car on this tune and then the next tank some E85 to E30?

Lets say I am on a trip and don't have access to E85 but later on in the next fill up, put some E85?

mark_tdot · 04-06-2018, 01:38 PM

My car came with MPPK, MPE etc.. as it was a 2015 M-performance edition.

I want to get BM3 but was just wondering if it would take advantage of any of the OEM BMW performance mods?

Have catless DP, chargepipe and intercooler in the works before I go with BM3.

matty088 · 04-06-2018, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mark_tdot

My car came with MPPK, MPE etc.. as it was a 2015 M-performance edition.

I want to get BM3 but was just wondering if it would take advantage of any of the OEM BMW performance mods?

Have catless DP, chargepipe and intercooler in the works before I go with BM3.

No. Your oem stuff is worthless if you go bm3. Well u get the added sound of the exhaust

FSociety · 04-06-2018, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drwillb

Sorry for asking about a different platform but this is by far the most active thread on the forums.

I've read all 19 pages of this thread and I saw a couple of posts regarding the e82 N55 PWG. Mine is a 2012 with locked DME. Is BM3 available for this? If not, will it be?

There's no mention of it on the PTF website.

Thank you

Unfortunately not because its an Exx series =\

Quote:

Originally Posted by homanmaster

If I am running Stage 2 OTS map E30, is it still safe to run a full tank of 93 in the car on this tune and then the next tank some E85 to E30?

Lets say I am on a trip and don't have access to E85 but later on in the next fill up, put some E85?

Totally fine, just dont go bonkers while on full 93

I usually throw E30 and if I need to fill up only 93 i try to add at half tank so at least there's some E15-E20 there

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark_tdot

My car came with MPPK, MPE etc.. as it was a 2015 M-performance edition.

I want to get BM3 but was just wondering if it would take advantage of any of the OEM BMW performance mods?

Have catless DP, chargepipe and intercooler in the works before I go with BM3.

MPPK gets replaced once you flash any of the OTS maps, furthermore the latest OTS has MPPK inspired throttle mapping

paimon.soror · 04-06-2018, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark_tdot

My car came with MPPK, MPE etc.. as it was a 2015 M-performance edition.

I want to get BM3 but was just wondering if it would take advantage of any of the OEM BMW performance mods?

Have catless DP, chargepipe and intercooler in the works before I go with BM3.

It wouldn't necessarily 'take advantage' of any of the MPPSK stuff, but the intake will certainly help a bit over the folks running the BM3 with OE intake.

F30_SixSpeed · 04-07-2018, 01:31 PM

Stock PWG Turbo, FBO, 93 octane, V6

Best Pull: 383whp, 494trq

paimon.soror · 04-07-2018, 01:33 PM

ecided to give the stg1 93tune a shot (ran 91 tune before). Hrmm, not good on the more aggressive pull i took:

http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5ac8fb77d10b437180ac3398

https://datazap.me/u/paimonsoror/bm3-v6-93-oct…

looks like cyl 1 didn't like it @ 4th gear around 6.5k rpm

afr looks good, not too rich and didn't take a hit after the knock

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