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      04-27-2015, 09:39 AM   #45
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You do realize the Z06 costs 100k less? The Porshe should already have way more HP for the price but it doesn't.
It should be $100k less. Try stuffing an incredible engine in the rear of the Vette. The 911 is an engineering masterpiece...made in Germany. You pay for a premium. Oh well! We all know American cars offer a lot of HP for relatively cheap. They also get 9 mi/gal. Lol
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He was disproving your comment about no car on the market except for hypercars being able to beat the Turbo S and now you bring up HP.. Hahahaha

And you call the Z06 "quite fast" I'm curious what you would call a Porsche if it defeated it's competition by the same margin.

Fact is, the Z06 absolutely embarrassed every car that's below it.
What about when the Z06 breaks or over heats?
Another typical, childish response.. You have no argument against the Z06 lap times so you deviate from the topic and try to fault the car in other ways.

I seem to recall the GT3 catching on fire when it first came out. Didn't Porsche issue a recall and stop all deliveries? What about the fact that Porsche couldn't safely extract another 20hp from the GT3 engine for the RS...

This thread is about lap times, not which car has less warranty claims.

Factually, the Z06 is a fkn beast.. You are entitled to your own personal opinion about it.
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It should be $100k less. Try stuffing an incredible engine in the rear of the Vette. The 911 is an engineering masterpiece...made in Germany. You pay for a premium. Oh well! We all know American cars offer a lot of HP for relatively cheap. They also get 9 mi/gal. Lol
German Fanboi?

'15 Porsche Turbo S:
17 City, 24 Highway, 20 combined.

'15 Z06
15 City, 22 Highway, 18 combined.

Turbo S HP/TQ: 520/487
Z06 HP/TQ: 650/650

9MPG is just another "V8's must get bad gas mileage" BS statement. So the Z06 gets 2MPG less across the board, but makes 130HP more and 163 FT/LB more. Seems like a very worthy fuel mileage trade off to me.

So where is this 100k difference in this "engineering masterpiece?" It doesn't perform better. Interior quality is about on-par now. Z06 is cheaper/easier to maintain and modify too. For 100k more, the Turbo S should perform FAR BETTER than the Z06.

You can buy two Z06's, keep one stock and spend 20k on track upgrades on the other just to spend what you would have in a single Turbo S. Imagine what the Z06 can do with 20k in aftermarket goodies since it already outperforms the Turbo S...
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Another typical, childish response.. You have no argument against the Z06 lap times so you deviate from the topic and try to fault the car in other ways.

I seem to recall the GT3 catching on fire when it first came out. Didn't Porsche issue a recall and stop all deliveries? What about the fact that Porsche couldn't safely extract another 20hp from the GT3 engine for the RS...

This thread is about lap times, not which car has less warranty claims.

Factually, the Z06 is a fkn beast.. You are entitled to your own personal opinion about it.
I see some viable reason to bring up the fact that the Z06 does overheat. When it's not, its absurdly fast. It damn well should be for 650 hp/650 tq.

Who said Porsche couldnt get another 20 hp out of the 3.8 liter? They most certainly could. They could have pushed it to around 500 hp which would be 132 hp per liter. The thing is, the 500 hp the RS is 'making' is very conservative. I would be the engine makes 500 hp at 8000 ft elevation meaning its likely 530-550 hp at sea level. Porsche is very conservative with their numbers. The regular GT3 is a prime example. Show me another 475 hp car that traps 126+ mph? I don't think you can. Most 475 hp cars will only be trapping around 120 mph.
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German Fanboi?

'15 Porsche Turbo S:
17 City, 24 Highway, 20 combined.

'15 Z06
15 City, 22 Highway, 18 combined.

Turbo S HP/TQ: 520/487
Z06 HP/TQ: 650/650

9MPG is just another "V8's must get bad gas mileage" BS statement. So the Z06 gets 2MPG less across the board, but makes 130HP more and 163 FT/LB more. Seems like a very worthy fuel mileage trade off to me.

So where is this 100k difference in this "engineering masterpiece?" It doesn't perform better. Interior quality is about on-par now. Z06 is cheaper/easier to maintain and modify too. For 100k more, the Turbo S should perform FAR BETTER than the Z06.

You can buy two Z06's, keep one stock and spend 20k on track upgrades on the other just to spend what you would have in a single Turbo S. Imagine what the Z06 can do with 20k in aftermarket goodies since it already outperforms the Turbo S...
My 991 get 28mi/gal.

Listen...you can rock a Fossil or rock an IWC. Yes! They both tell time but the experience is different. I'll pay the premium, thank you. I can also DD MY TTS year round. Let me see that Z06 in year round driving! Moreover, you do realize you're trivializing track times as if that REALLY is a selling point. Great...a 6.2 liter engine with crazy hp. How novel! The ZO6 is amazing, but hardly on par with the Porsche's pedigree. I love German cars, Italian shoes and bikes, and French wine. Sue me! and ultimately, it's a Chevy. I'm not spending $100k where I can also buy a Cobalt. Sorry. Just like I'm not buying a Diamond from Costco.

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German Fanboi?

'15 Porsche Turbo S:
17 City, 24 Highway, 20 combined.

'15 Z06
15 City, 22 Highway, 18 combined.

Turbo S HP/TQ: 520/487
Z06 HP/TQ: 650/650

9MPG is just another "V8's must get bad gas mileage" BS statement. So the Z06 gets 2MPG less across the board, but makes 130HP more and 163 FT/LB more. Seems like a very worthy fuel mileage trade off to me.

So where is this 100k difference in this "engineering masterpiece?" It doesn't perform better. Interior quality is about on-par now. Z06 is cheaper/easier to maintain and modify too. For 100k more, the Turbo S should perform FAR BETTER than the Z06.

You can buy two Z06's, keep one stock and spend 20k on track upgrades on the other just to spend what you would have in a single Turbo S. Imagine what the Z06 can do with 20k in aftermarket goodies since it already outperforms the Turbo S...
V8's do get bad mileage. The shit they have to do to get decent numbers is nuts. I have a few and the cylinder deactivation, transmission in some ridiculously high gear garbage. The Corvette's real life numbers will be off those and the Porsche should be pretty close.

As far as value the Z06 looks like what it is and I find the Porsche to be worth the extra money and a nicer car.
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German Fanboi?

'15 Porsche Turbo S:
17 City, 24 Highway, 20 combined.

'15 Z06
15 City, 22 Highway, 18 combined.

Turbo S HP/TQ: 520/487
Z06 HP/TQ: 650/650

9MPG is just another "V8's must get bad gas mileage" BS statement. So the Z06 gets 2MPG less across the board, but makes 130HP more and 163 FT/LB more. Seems like a very worthy fuel mileage trade off to me.

So where is this 100k difference in this "engineering masterpiece?" It doesn't perform better. Interior quality is about on-par now. Z06 is cheaper/easier to maintain and modify too. For 100k more, the Turbo S should perform FAR BETTER than the Z06.

You can buy two Z06's, keep one stock and spend 20k on track upgrades on the other just to spend what you would have in a single Turbo S. Imagine what the Z06 can do with 20k in aftermarket goodies since it already outperforms the Turbo S...
My 991 get 28mi/gal.

Listen...you can rock a Fossil or rock an IWC. Yes! They both tell time but the experience is different. I'll pay the premium, thank you. I can also DD MY TTS year round. Let me see that Z06 in year round driving! Moreover, you do realize you're trivializing track times as if that REALLY is a selling point. Great...a 6.2 liter engine with crazy hp. How novel! The ZO6 is amazing, but hardly on par with the Porsche's pedigree. I love German cars, Italian shoes and bikes, and French wine. Sue me! and ultimately, it's a Chevy. I'm not spending $100k where I can also buy a Cobalt. Sorry. Just like I'm not buying a Diamond from Costco.
lol, this thread was made about a lap time. The Z06 was mentioned as a car which beats the turbo s around the track after the OP made a claim that no other car besides hypercars can touch the turbo s around a track. No one is talking about daily driving, what's more premium, what's exclusive, etc.

The Z06 came into this thread as a car that is NOT a hypercar and CAN beat the Turbo S. It's purpose in this thread is to simply disprove claims made by the OP.
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Another typical, childish response.. You have no argument against the Z06 lap times so you deviate from the topic and try to fault the car in other ways.

I seem to recall the GT3 catching on fire when it first came out. Didn't Porsche issue a recall and stop all deliveries? What about the fact that Porsche couldn't safely extract another 20hp from the GT3 engine for the RS...

This thread is about lap times, not which car has less warranty claims.

Factually, the Z06 is a fkn beast.. You are entitled to your own personal opinion about it.
I see some viable reason to bring up the fact that the Z06 does overheat. When it's not, its absurdly fast. It damn well should be for 650 hp/650 tq.

Who said Porsche couldnt get another 20 hp out of the 3.8 liter? They most certainly could. They could have pushed it to around 500 hp which would be 132 hp per liter. The thing is, the 500 hp the RS is 'making' is very conservative. I would be the engine makes 500 hp at 8000 ft elevation meaning its likely 530-550 hp at sea level. Porsche is very conservative with their numbers. The regular GT3 is a prime example. Show me another 475 hp car that traps 126+ mph? I don't think you can. Most 475 hp cars will only be trapping around 120 mph.
No, actually they couldn't. They developed a new engine for the RS which is why it's been so delayed.
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and ultimately, it's a Chevy.
But ultimately, a porsche is a VW
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Hopefully Porsche will still make a GT2 and GT2RS.
Yeah that would be nice but this time i think it would be a faster RS with AWD.
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Hopefully Porsche will still make a GT2 and GT2RS.
Yeah that would be nice but this time i think it would be a faster RS with AWD.
Just adding PDK to the GT2 will make it hard for any car to deal with on or off the track given how fast the old GT2/RS were and even today are faster than most cars. I.e the GT2 RS is as fast most current super cars or quite close despite its age and lack of dual clutch.
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But ultimately, a porsche is a VW
You're being nostalgic.
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Just adding PDK to the GT2 will make it hard for any car to deal with on or off the track given how fast the old GT2/RS were and even today are faster than most cars. I.e the GT2 RS is as fast most current super cars or quite close despite its age and lack of dual clutch.
Yeah the PDK would make it faster too.
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Hopefully Porsche will still make a GT2 and GT2RS.
Yeah that would be nice but this time i think it would be a faster RS with AWD.
Just adding PDK to the GT2 will make it hard for any car to deal with on or off the track given how fast the old GT2/RS were and even today are faster than most cars. I.e the GT2 RS is as fast most current super cars or quite close despite its age and lack of dual clutch.
620hp, twin turbo, 3050 pounds, tuned for the track.. Why wouldn't it be fast?

"WHAT IF" you add 500 pounds to the RS to match the z06 weight, what do you think will happen?? Orrr what if you put airplane wings on a GT2 RS.. You think it'll fly over the pacific?? Hahah 90% of what you say is hypothetical, a bunch of "if this" or "if that". It's like talking with my 8 year old cousin, who asks me questions like "what do you think is faster, a Bugatti or a Rocketship??... But what if you put rocket engines on the Bugatti, then who would win??"
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But ultimately, a porsche is a VW
You're being nostalgic.
Or, you know, honest. Maybe you've seen the news about Piech trying to oust Winterkorn and failing? VW's ownership of Porsche likely just got even stronger.
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My 991 get 28mi/gal.

Listen...you can rock a Fossil or rock an IWC. Yes! They both tell time but the experience is different. I'll pay the premium, thank you. I can also DD MY TTS year round. Let me see that Z06 in year round driving! Moreover, you do realize you're trivializing track times as if that REALLY is a selling point. Great...a 6.2 liter engine with crazy hp. How novel! The ZO6 is amazing, but hardly on par with the Porsche's pedigree. I love German cars, Italian shoes and bikes, and French wine. Sue me! and ultimately, it's a Chevy. I'm not spending $100k where I can also buy a Cobalt. Sorry. Just like I'm not buying a Diamond from Costco.
Lol, Porsche superfanboy!

Back in those days Porsche got beaten by Honda NSX, BMW M5, BMW M3. Without Toyota, would even not be here today. Toyota saved Porsche.
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No, actually they couldn't. They developed a new engine for the RS which is why it's been so delayed.
I am glad someone on this board knows why the Porsche Engineering team decided on a different engine for the RS. Its nice to hear it straight from the men building the cars.
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Lol, Porsche superfanboy!

Back in those days Porsche got beaten by Honda NSX, BMW M5, BMW M3. Without Toyota, would even not be here today. Toyota saved Porsche.
Back in those days, huh? Where are they NOW, namely the NSX? Toyota? And after all these years...Chebby finally got ONE Vette right, right about the time when the entire fawking industry is moving forward with smaller engines to exploit better efficiency and what do they do...build a car with a 6.2 liter. Geniuses. Its a dinosaur with a jet pack
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This would be funny if the car you were defending wasn't nearly unchanged for the last fifty years. The "big" innovation was a freaking radiator and some coolant twenty years ago.
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No, actually they couldn't. They developed a new engine for the RS which is why it's been so delayed.
I am glad someone on this board knows why the Porsche Engineering team decided on a different engine for the RS. Its nice to hear it straight from the men building the cars.
You were being facetious, correct?
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No, actually they couldn't. They developed a new engine for the RS which is why it's been so delayed.
I am glad someone on this board knows why the Porsche Engineering team decided on a different engine for the RS. Its nice to hear it straight from the men building the cars.
It's not top secret information, the GT3 RS missed its reveal date by 6 months. The original GT3 engine was having fire issues in the standard GT3. Porsche issued a recall and stopped selling any additional cars until the issue was fixed, about 700 cars were effected. They decided to ditch the 3.8 and go with a 4.0 for the RS.
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This would be funny if the car you were defending wasn't nearly unchanged for the last fifty years. The "big" innovation was a freaking radiator and some coolant twenty years ago.
The fact that they've been able to make the same car for 50 years and be the benchmark year in and year out is a true testament, however, there have still been significant changes over the years...mostly what can't be seen.
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