[ejazbmw]

and for the guys who are saying "I won't buy because its a nissan" well you aren't driving anything special either being that your car is a mass production car as well and you can see 5 of them every time you blink!!!!

[!Xoible]

Originally Posted by ejazbmw

and for the guys who are saying "I won't buy because its a nissan" well you aren't driving anything special either being that your car is a mass production car as well and you can see 5 of them every time you blink!!!!

theh funny thing about this, is IT IS TRUE

[hks786]

Originally Posted by mantis

theh funny thing about this, is IT IS TRUE

haha, yeah thanks for that I dont think you can just look at the brand anymore. Okay 90% of the time the brand reflects the design, not always though. Look at the new C5:

[RedGT3]

I think the new corvette the Blue Devil or the SS what ever the new name is today can give this car a good fight.

[grumpybear]

Originally Posted by fll335

I think the new corvette the Blue Devil or the SS what ever the new name is today can give this car a good fight.

The blue devil, I think they may be calling it the ZR1 now, is supposed to be close to 700 HP and TQ. This Nissan is running equal times to the Z06 so this new Corvette will probably destroy it.

[FrothE90]

Originally Posted by ejazbmw

and for the guys who are saying "I won't buy because its a nissan" well you aren't driving anything special either being that your car is a mass production car as well and you can see 5 of them every time you blink!!!!

Not that I drive a 3 series, but your above statement doesn't mean BMW isn't far superior as far as quality, service, luxury, etc, etc, etc. Nissan vs BMW....I'd say that scale is tipped pretty significantly on the Bimmer side.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by FrothE90

Not that I drive a 3 series, but your above statement doesn't mean BMW isn't far superior as far as quality, service, luxury, etc, etc, etc. Nissan vs BMW....I'd say that scale is tipped pretty significantly on the Bimmer side.

[AoshichanX]

thanks for the info OP, looks almost a bit mustang-ish from the side

[ALPINE6SPD]

Originally Posted by younghov85

That thing will spank the M6. I hope BMW plans to put the tt's in the M5 and M6.

why? BMW does not give a shit about a nissan. The cars dont even compete.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by ALPINE6SPD

The cars dont even compete.

And that's the bottom line!

[ALPINE6SPD]

I think it looks really good. I just wish they did not soften the front end so much. The should have changed very little on the front end.

[Rusty's508whp]

3.6 0 to 60....

[FirstClass]

Originally Posted by younghov85

That thing will spank the M6. I hope BMW plans to put the tt's in the M5 and M6.

Not at speed it won't, but definitely from a dig.

[imolazhp_ci]

big deal... it basically has all the exact stats as a real world C6 Z06.... and it's more expensive. who cares...

[FirstClass]

Originally Posted by imolazhp_ci

big deal... it basically has all the exact stats as a real world C6 Z06.... and it's more expensive. who cares...

More like similar price and better stats if the ring time is to be believed. (Though I have yet to see a weight number) Plus I'd imagine it being AWD it would be much easier to drive than the oversteer happy Z06 and you would slaughter a Z06 in the rain.

[imolazhp_ci]

Originally Posted by FirstClass

More like similar price and better stats if the ring time is to be believed. (Though I have yet to see a weight number) Plus I'd imagine it being AWD it would be much easier to drive than the oversteer happy Z06 and you would slaughter a Z06 in the rain.

oversteer is typically a good thing if you know how to drive. hahaha.... in the rain? yeah because stop light racing is especially important in the rain. this car will fail in the US, $80k? for a Nissan? Please... nobody in their right mind would pay that in this country. NOBODY when you can get about 20 different cars with 50 times more prestige and 90% of the performance.

[ArmyBimmerDude]

Originally Posted by FirstClass

Not at speed it won't, but definitely from a dig.

Based on.....?

[ArmyBimmerDude]

Originally Posted by imolazhp_ci

oversteer is typically a good thing if you know how to drive. hahaha.... in the rain? yeah because stop light racing is especially important in the rain. this car will fail in the US, $80k? for a Nissan? Please... nobody in their right mind would pay that in this country. NOBODY when you can get about 20 different cars with 50 times more prestige and 90% of the performance.

Wow, you're brilliant.

GT-R's are the greatest JDM vehicles in history. Fans all over the world. Why do you think there is so much uproar over it? The entire world ha been waiting for this vehicle. You lost all credibility when you stated it lacks prestige. People said the same thing back in the 90's about the Supra. "50k for a toyota?!" Do you think they'd be saying the same thing about that car now?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by ArmyBimmerDude

Wow, you're brilliant.

GT-R's are the greatest JDM vehicles in history. Fans all over the world. Why do you think there is so much uproar over it? The entire world ha been waiting for this vehicle. You lost all credibility when you stated it lacks prestige. People said the same thing back in the 90's about the Supra. "50k for a toyota?!" Do you think they'd be saying the same thing about that car now?

The Supra wasn't that hot of a seller. Yeah, it was popular w/ tuners (...much like the 300ZX and Rx7 of the time), but the truth is that it was priced a bit high for consumer tastes.

He has a point though, although I don't agree that the car will fail. Some people were willing to pay nearly $80k for imported R34's through Motorex. With that being said, sure, there will be some people who undoubtedly opt for the GT-R (...fanboys with deep pockets, Jay Leno.....because he buys everything, etc.), but prestige will definitely come into play........at least in the NA market. Not everybody is a GT-R/Grand Turismo follower, especially those with old money. I'm sure that the car will do okay, but it will be financially out of reach for a large majority of the people who like the car.

There are some of us who followed the Skyline prior to GT, but come on guys, you have to admit that a lot of people didn't have any idea about the Skyline or its history until GT was released.

[ArmyBimmerDude]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

The Supra wasn't that hot of a seller. Yeah, it was popular w/ tuners, but the truth is that it was priced a bit high for consumer tastes.

Youre right. Being priced back then at 50k for a toyota was ridiculous for Americans.

Tell me now though....if the Mark V Supra came out, would people have a problem paying that much now? This isnt 1993. Toyota and Nissan arent considered lower class vehicles anymore. Hell Toyota's king of the automobile industry right now.

Someone please explain to me why paying $70-80k for a Nissan GT-R is wrong, but paying $80k for a RS4 or $100k for a M5/M6 is right on?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by ArmyBimmerDude

Youre right. Being priced back then at 50k for a toyota was ridiculous for Americans.

Tell me now though....if the Mark V Supra came out, would people have a problem paying that much now? This isnt 1993. Toyota and Nissan arent considered lower class vehicles anymore. Hell Toyota's king of the automobile industry right now.

Someone please explain to me why paying $70-80k for a Nissan GT-R is wrong, but paying $80k for a RS4 or $100k for a M5/M6 is right on?

We could go on all night tossing conjecture back & forth. Who knows what Americans would buy. It's a bit hard to speculate such a thing, but they would most definitely have to release the "imaginary '07 Supra" under the Lexus model line simply because people would still have a hard time paying $50k for a "Toyota". The Supra, despite being the tuning beast that it is/was, was cramped as hell on the inside, among other things. And Toyota had a good rep........even back then!

The difference between the GT-R and an RS4/M5/M6 is prestige bro. We know the GT-R is a great performer based on reviews, but at the end of the day, it won't carry the same perceived value as the cars you mentioned, especially to the buyer who could care less about 'Ring times (..which encompasses majority of the potential buyers).

[imolazhp_ci]

First of all, turbo supra's were only $37,000...$40,000 optioned out... i don't know where you got $50, and secondly, obviously the car deserves respect, but we are talking about america here, land of the fat and stupid.