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      10-25-2013, 07:39 PM   #45
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Noted, I am yet to try DTC off aggressively. OP should try this himself. These cars are more than eager oblige. However it's unlikely DTC off will send all power to the rear
Exactly, DTC off with XDrive does not somehow bypass the fact that the car is AWD and sending power to the front. It will not turn into a burnout machine lol.

On RWD, Sport+ allows plenty of slip angle and wheelspin. I personally would not drive with DTC off aggressively on the street-I don't see the point. My other car has no DSC-it's up to me 100%. I figure with the F30, I should take advantage of a bit of a safety net if on public roads.
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      10-28-2013, 03:21 PM   #48
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E30 to F30 might be too drastic of a jump. I could see you jumping into a BRZ.

Have you driven an F30 yet?
So today I drove a rwd 328i MT SportLine with A/S tires. I felt fortunate that I found one "only" 35 miles from my home.

A definite improvement over the AWD in terms of the ability to drive off the rear wheels (of course!) and in that sense I could relate it to my E30. Yes it is bigger and heavier but it didn't feel heavy, bloated, or boatlike. It was satisfying in the sense that the driving position and sport seat felt comfortable and locked in. Steering wheel felt hefty enough though the action was a bit light. Steering response was not as direct as my E30 but better tires, lighter wheels, stiffer springs, and a thicker RSB would help that out. (Perhaps the Dinan Shockware suspension upgrade will be helpful there.) I still would like to see another ~25 hp come out of the engine, and I will wait for Dinan to come out with their Stage 1 for that.

All in all I'm satisfied with the car's potential for feeling even better once these mods are added. I plan on joining the first Ultimate Driving Event I can find in my area for 2014 and placing my order shortly after that with the dealership that best meets my price via internet quotes.
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So today I drove a rwd 328i MT SportLine with A/S tires. I felt fortunate that I found one "only" 35 miles from my home.

A definite improvement over the AWD in terms of the ability to drive off the rear wheels (of course!) and in that sense I could relate it to my E30. Yes it is bigger and heavier but it didn't feel heavy, bloated, or boatlike. It was satisfying in the sense that the driving position and sport seat felt comfortable and locked in. Steering wheel felt hefty enough though the action was a bit light. Steering response was not as direct as my E30 but better tires, lighter wheels, stiffer springs, and a thicker RSB would help that out. (Perhaps the Dinan Shockware suspension upgrade will be helpful there.) I still would like to see another ~25 hp come out of the engine, and I will wait for Dinan to come out with their Stage 1 for that.

All in all I'm satisfied with the car's potential for feeling even better once these mods are added. I plan on joining the first Ultimate Driving Event I can find in my area for 2014 and placing my order shortly after that with the dealership that best meets my price via internet quotes.

These engines loosen up after some miles and make more power than you feel on a car off the lot.

I put down 214whp/250tq on a load bearing Super Flo dyno at the 1200 mile mark. There will be a variety of tunes that will give you 30+whp when you are ready.
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These engines loosen up after some miles and make more power than you feel on a car off the lot.

I put down 214whp/250tq on a load bearing Super Flo dyno at the 1200 mile mark. There will be a variety of tunes that will give you 30+whp when you are ready.
What do the 214/250 wheel numbers tell you about what the engine is putting out?
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What do the 214/250 wheel numbers tell you about what the engine is putting out?
That the engine is underrated, those numbers when converted to the crank are more than the BMW claim of 240/258.
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Drive a 335 with the 255 wide rear tires and option 704 sport suspension before buying the 328 xdrive OP
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Drive a 335 with the 255 wide rear tires and option 704 sport suspension before buying the 328 xdrive OP
Not planning on buying the X-Drive in any case...335 is too many $$$ for a lot of hp I'm never going to use on the road (I don't track any more). I'll be happy with a 328 rwd with a bit of boost for the hp. I'd rather drive a smaller engine harder than a larger engine softer.
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That the engine is underrated, those numbers when converted to the crank are more than the BMW claim of 240/258.
I got that part. I'm wondering if you'd venture a guess at what hp/torque is at the crank based on the dyno whp, or is that not a fair question?
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I got that part. I'm wondering if you'd venture a guess at what hp/torque is at the crank based on the dyno whp, or is that not a fair question?
Based on seeing 10-12 dynos, 260-270hp/295-305ft lbs of tq at the crank.
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E30 = Sexy
Ronals = made the already sexy E30 sexier

E30 + Ronals...Just keep that car and save up some dough for a newer car if you truly need it. Be honest here, how much do you think you can sell your car (minus Ronals)?
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E30 = Sexy
Ronals = made the already sexy E30 sexier

E30 + Ronals...Just keep that car and save up some dough for a newer car if you truly need it. Be honest here, how much do you think you can sell your car (minus Ronals)?

I paid $5K for the car in 2007, and it came with all the mods I've got except for the Z3 short shifter and the two thicker sway bars. I've put another $10K into fixing up a bunch of panels and a lot of much needed mechanical work (heating, AC, driveshaft, alternator, etc.). I couldn't sell it for more than $7-8K tops, I think, including two sets of wheels/tires. (Why would I keep 15" Ronals?) I've got 15" Euroweaves for my winters.

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Based on seeing 10-12 dynos, 260-270hp/295-305ft lbs of tq at the crank.
Wow! Does BMW typically underrate their engine power by that much? That seems too good to be true, but until I hear something different I'll take your word for it. Before I invest in an engine upgrade I'll wait awhile to see how the engine power matures, as you say. I should know how it 'powers up' by what, say 5K miles? Or more?
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I paid $5K for the car in 2007, and it came with all the mods I've got except for the Z3 short shifter. I've put another $10K into fixing up a bunch of panels and much needed mechanical work (heating, AC, driveshaft, alternator, etc.). I couldn't sell it for more than $7-8K tops I think with two sets of wheels/tires. (Why would I keep 15" Ronals?) I've got 15" Euroweaves for my winters.
As far as I know, Ronal wheels can be sold separately at a decent price. They're also a little difficult to find so if/when you get another e30, you can just slap those wheels back on easily. Just considering the possibility that you won't be as satisfied with an F30 from an E30. I know I was a little disappointed in my E90 328i after driving a 325is.

Most 325i's range from dirt cheap (500 bucks) to 5k with bottlecaps or regular 14in weaves. Anything above that are basically perfect E30's or crazy sellers.

The best way to know is to test drive an F30. That 10k in repairs does hurt and the logical step is to get a new car. The new car will be better (numerically) in almost every way possible but does it suit you? Just like how living in Beverly Hills is the best thing ever but a famer would be happier in a piece of land in the middle of nowhere.
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Wow! Does BMW typically underrate their engine power by that much? That seems too good to be true, but until I hear something different I'll take your word for it. Before I invest in an engine upgrade I'll wait awhile to see how the engine power matures, as you say. I should know how it 'powers up' by what, say 5K miles? Or more?
There turbo engines yes, this began in '07 with the N54, again with the N55 and N20.

A couple thousand miles will loosen the engine up.
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As far as I know, Ronal wheels can be sold separately at a decent price. They're also a little difficult to find so if/when you get another e30, you can just slap those wheels back on easily. Just considering the possibility that you won't be as satisfied with an F30 from an E30. I know I was a little disappointed in my E90 328i after driving a 325is.

Most 325i's range from dirt cheap (500 bucks) to 5k with bottlecaps or regular 14in weaves. Anything above that are basically perfect E30's or crazy sellers.

The best way to know is to test drive an F30. That 10k in repairs does hurt and the logical step is to get a new car. The new car will be better (numerically) in almost every way possible but does it suit you? Just like how living in Beverly Hills is the best thing ever but a famer would be happier in a piece of land in the middle of nowhere.
I've taken the advice of most of the people on this thread and decided to keep my E30. I don't need to sell it to afford a new car. My problem is storage, but I will figure that out somehow.

I drove into a snow bank with my E30 a few years ago, and in order to convince Liberty Mutual that my car was worth more than $2400 (they totaled it) I procured a bunch of sales receipts from Concord Motorsports (NH). He sent me about ten receipts for E30s that had sold for $9-13K. They were mint and low mileage, and/or heavily modded. My car is not mint, but I bet I could get more than $5K for it. BTW, Liberty Mutual ended up giving me $3750 for the totaled car; I kept the car, and had the damage fixed for $2200. I spent the rest on upgrading several body panels. And then I was able to register the car with a normal title, no salvage. Go figure.
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I've taken the advice of most of the people on this thread and decided to keep my E30. I don't need to sell it to afford a new car. My problem is storage, but I will figure that out somehow.

I drove into a snow bank with my E30 a few years ago, and in order to convince Liberty Mutual that my car was worth more than $2400 (they totaled it) I procured a bunch of sales receipts from Concord Motorsports (NH). He sent me about ten receipts for E30s that had sold for $9-13K. They were mint and low mileage, and/or heavily modded. My car is not mint, but I bet I could get more than $5K for it. BTW, Liberty Mutual ended up giving me $3750 for the totaled car; I kept the car, and had the damage fixed for $2200. I spent the rest on upgrading several body panels. And then I was able to register the car with a normal title, no salvage. Go figure.
It all worked out in the end. Congrats
Lucky for you no salvage!
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Never sell your E30. You. will. regret. it.
and this guy knows what the hell he is talking about.

I've had the E30 M with 97k miles for 30 years now and the F30 Msport for 2 and none of them are going anywhere any time soon.

I know this post is old I figured what the heck.
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