[MacklinUSOB]

Originally Posted by Livfast335

Will it also impact the 4 series? like 440? Or mostly the F30?

There is nothing particularly different in the context of depreciation between the two, they will suffer the same fate, albeit a prolonged one due to the later release of the G series 4.

[Gen13 F36]

Eh ...value of my 2016 F36 428i is already bad....lol. I can't trade this shit anyway. Too much lost on value. So what I do is take care of the car and drive it for a while😁

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by Gen13 F36

Eh ...value of my 2016 F36 428i is already bad....lol. I can't trade this shit anyway. Too much lost on value. So what I do is take care of the car and drive it for a while

My 2016 LCI isn't worth much will likely get a mission tuning reflash so I can get 400 whp and smoke the G20 M340i

[Jadenkid22]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

You can already get F30 cars with clean title for about $12k

Literally bought my 2013 328i xDrive for 13k cash with every package but the upgraded halo lights. And that was August 2017 lol these cars take a huge plummet.


70k miles btw now it has 78k

[supergoat]

I'm in this industry. I will tell that yes it will impact the value. But it's a BMW they depreciate hard like most luxury. Just be glad it's not a Cadillac or Jaguar.

The F30 vs E90 thing is laughable. The F30 is not a failure or tanking worse than the E90. The F30 is, and will continue to be, worth more until it, like the E90 bottoms out. To think otherwise is delusional.

And anyone that thinks a base suspension E90 handles better than a M Sport F30 is kidding themselves. Yes the F30 is not the usual "Ultimate Driving Machine" evolution from the E90 people wanted but at least live in reality. Sport vs Sport I could agree the E90 may be more fun though. I went from a base E90 to M Sport F30. Both rwd and 6 speed, the F30 is absolutely the better handler.

[Gen13 F36]

Originally Posted by supergoat

I'm in this industry. I will tell that yes it will impact the value. But it's a BMW they depreciate hard like most luxury. Just be glad it's not a Cadillac or Jaguar.

The F30 vs E90 thing is laughable. The F30 is not a failure or tanking worse than the E90. The F30 is, and will continue to be, worth more until it, like the E90 bottoms out. To think otherwise is delusional.

And anyone that thinks a base suspension E90 handles better than a M Sport F30 is kidding themselves. Yes the F30 is not the usual "Ultimate Driving Machine" evolution from the E90 people wanted but at least live in reality. Sport vs Sport I could agree the E90 may be more fun though. I went from a base E90 to M Sport F30. Both rwd and 6 speed, the F30 is absolutely the better handler.

No you didn't just blurted that out....here come the flame

[supergoat]

Originally Posted by Gen13 F36

No you didn't just blurted that out....here come the flame

I prefer to live in reality. 🙂 The guy complaining about his MSport F30 has an Xdrive which unless he has DHP is still rocking the soft base suspension.

[Fuller]

Originally Posted by Gen13 F36

No you didn't just blurted that out....here come the flame

He said he prefers f30 msport to a base e90, so what. Should we worry that someone with an old e90 beater is going to say something mean? Oh no!

[redEYEjedi]

Interestingly enough, while e90s and e92s continue to plummet, e91 m sport wagons are holding value. I recently saw a 2011 m sport sell for 15k!

[BMWMTLRWD]

Originally Posted by supergoat

I'm in this industry. I will tell that yes it will impact the value. But it's a BMW they depreciate hard like most luxury. Just be glad it's not a Cadillac or Jaguar.

The F30 vs E90 thing is laughable. The F30 is not a failure or tanking worse than the E90. The F30 is, and will continue to be, worth more until it, like the E90 bottoms out. To think otherwise is delusional.

And anyone that thinks a base suspension E90 handles better than a M Sport F30 is kidding themselves. Yes the F30 is not the usual "Ultimate Driving Machine" evolution from the E90 people wanted but at least live in reality. Sport vs Sport I could agree the E90 may be more fun though. I went from a base E90 to M Sport F30. Both rwd and 6 speed, the F30 is absolutely the better handler.

Quote: reference to G20 in comparison to watered down (Failed Chasis of F30)
"seventh generation of the Roundel’s venerable sedan is a dynamic about-face from its watered-down predecessor. It just felt right."

...work started on this car, code-named G20, in 2014, and it’s clear from the deep-rooted tweaking that his team was well aware that the previous 3-series had lost too much of its road-taming allure. Van As says the overwhelming priority was to improve the 3’s dynamics without sacrificing ride comfort.

Ref: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...t-sedan-driven

Pretty good review of what is coming and BMW own acknowledgment of what was lost in the f30 chassis.

The F30 tried to hard to please using trickery suspension. They are going back to tuning a truly balanced chassis and suspension.

driving the e90 has been a joy, something I can't say with the F30.
No complaints, only through experience I look forward to the new G20.

The F30 has its place but market share loss to its competitors is a reality and such is why they are working to Return to chassis kinematics..

[MacklinUSOB]

Originally Posted by BMWMTLRWD

Quote: reference to G20 in comparison to watered down (Failed Chasis of F30) <----- Totally not added in by you
"seventh generation of the Roundel’s venerable sedan is a dynamic about-face from its watered-down predecessor. It just felt right."

...work started on this car, code-named G20, in 2014, and it’s clear from the deep-rooted tweaking that his team was well aware that the previous 3-series had lost too much of its road-taming allure. Van As says the overwhelming priority was to improve the 3’s dynamics without sacrificing ride comfort.

Ref: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...t-sedan-driven

Pretty good review of what is coming and BMW own acknowledgment of what was lost in the f30 chassis.

The F30 tried to hard to please using trickery suspension. They are going back to tuning a truly balanced chassis and suspension.

driving the e90 has been a joy, something I can't say with the F30.
No complaints, only through experience I look forward to the new G20.

The F30 has its place but market share loss to its competitors is a reality and such is why they are working to Return to chassis kinematics..

You're about 7 years too late with your comparisons.

The E90 is an E46 put on a strict diet of butter sticks and pasta.

There will be troves complaining about the G20 as well, it's just the cool thing to do.

[Fuller]

Originally Posted by MacklinUSOB

You're about 7 years too late with your comparisons.

The E90 is an E46 put on a strict diet of butter sticks and pasta.

There will be troves complaining about the G20 as well, it's just the cool thing to do.

G20 bashing has already begun. It won't have a stick shift option, it's too big, don't like the way it looks, not different enough from the f30, blah, blah, blah. All this and it hasn't even been released yet. The f30 was a great overall car if optioned to one's liking, and I'm sure the g20 will be even better, as each subsequent generation should be.

[CalCarNut]

I get notices from my dealership that they'll take my car I'm buying and put me in a new 2018 lease. They tell me my '15 GC is worth about $18K. LOL. It only has 22K miles on it. Screw you, dealership!

[Gen13 F36]

Originally Posted by CalCarNut

I get notices from my dealership that they'll take my car I'm buying and put me in a new 2018 lease. They tell me my '15 GC is worth about $18K. LOL. It only has 22K miles on it. Screw you, dealership!

That sound good if you own nothing when they take your car and put you on for a buy/finance 2018🤣

[tsm007]

I'm always on Auto Trader just checking out cars and the prices. The E90 dropped in value after about 2 years after the F30 came out. It seems like the 330i and 335i dropped more in value than the 328i, I'm thinking maybe because it's more in demand in the second hand market. If you're looking to get a F30/32 I'd wait at least 1.5 after the G20 is out if you're trying to get a good deal. End of the year preferably. The dealers always want to get rid of old inventory.
Some owners try not to put too many miles on their car because they're in fear of low resale value. I think if you like your car just use it and don't worry about that.

[tsm007]

Originally Posted by CalCarNut

I get notices from my dealership that they'll take my car I'm buying and put me in a new 2018 lease. They tell me my '15 GC is worth about $18K. LOL. It only has 22K miles on it. Screw you, dealership!

LOL dealerships always rip you off. Especially on trade-ins.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by redEYEjedi

Interestingly enough, while e90s and e92s continue to plummet, e91 m sport wagons are holding value. I recently saw a 2011 m sport sell for 15k!

Hell I was at my dealer and spotted a used 15' 328d wagon for $34,999 with almost 50k miles! I was completely shocked at how much they were charging. I read somewhere that BMW dealerships are starting to upcharge any wagons they have on their lot, calling them "rare" (which is somewhat true) and that people can't even haggle them down in price. When I read the article I didn't believe it, but after a trip to my dealer, it must be true, especially because I know that no 3er with 50k miles is worth $35k, especially a bare bones model like the one I saw. Oh and the 15' 328i (sedan) next to it, had 45k miles and was a little more than half the price at $19k with a good amount of options.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by MacklinUSOB

You're about 7 years too late with your comparisons.

The E90 is an E46 put on a strict diet of butter sticks and pasta.

There will be troves complaining about the G20 as well, it's just the cool thing to do.

As long as any bimmer has electric steering assist people will complain, no matter how large the improvement over the previous generation will be. We have to accept it, the good ol' days of road feel from hydraulic steering is gone, and this applies to not only BMW but brands like Audi and Merc too.

[Fuller]

Originally Posted by joshuastein55

Hell I was at my dealer and spotted a used 15' 328d wagon for $34,999 with almost 50k miles! I was completely shocked at how much they were charging. I read somewhere that BMW dealerships are starting to upcharge any wagons they have on their lot, calling them "rare" (which is somewhat true) and that people can't even haggle them down in price. When I read the article I didn't believe it, but after a trip to my dealer, it must be true, especially because I know that no 3er with 50k miles is worth $35k, especially a bare bones model like the one I saw. Oh and the 15' 328i (sedan) next to it, had 45k miles and was a little more than half the price at $19k with a good amount of options.

If someone goes into the dealership with a nice, well maintained wagon though, the same dealer will low ball them on the trade claiming that "it's rare and hard to sell."

[Breezin]

The F30 335i's are priced so reasonable right now, hence the reason i got mine right away. Although i should have waited i wanted one asap since my old car was just about on its last leg. Before buying i knew i wanted a 335i but when i used to check them out and their prices i couldn't afford one. Then when i saw 335i's with less than 30k miles and pricing was around $25k i was surprised and push for it. Fact is they will always lose value with new generations, the only thing is, is that the f30 335i's were dropping in price and were at a good value even before the announcement and the rave of the G20. Not only is the pricing awesome and low mileage for the f30 335is its also for all F30's really.

Also most leases i've seen in my area of F30s are all well below 30k miles and around $25k, which is unheard of in my area due to the roads and small population there is miles between my house and gas stations. Also like someone else said there are a ton of F30's coming off leases right now, and more to come. Not sure why most people aren't buying their leases out but one will never know, unless you are the lessee.

[uncleruckus]

Originally Posted by joshuastein55

As long as any bimmer has electric steering assist people will complain, no matter how large the improvement over the previous generation will be. We have to accept it, the good ol' days of road feel from hydraulic steering is gone, and this applies to not only BMW but brands like Audi and Merc too.

Porsche makes a pretty amazing EPS rack (I would say the benchmark), no reason the next generation of EPS (from other manufactures) cannot be good. Mazda also makes a pretty decent EPS rack as well.

Actually never mind.... I guarantee you guys, no matter how amazing the G20 is, there will be plenty of complaints on here

[Gen13 F36]

Originally Posted by uncleruckus

Porsche makes a pretty amazing EPS rack (I would say the benchmark), no reason the next generation of EPS (from other manufactures) cannot be good. Mazda also makes a pretty decent EPS rack as well.

Actually never mind.... I guarantee you guys, no matter how amazing the G20 is, there will be plenty of complaints on here

Come on now....nothing is perfect.