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It's pretty clear that the e90 was a more dominant car of its time than the f30 as far as being a driver's car. Hopefully, the G series will go back to the magic formula of the e90.
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where's the video reviews? ya know I can't read
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07-17-2015, 11:25 AM | #29 |
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Might be time for a VSS software upgrade.
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A couple of the British reviewers are more in line with this Australian reviewers experience, whereas the other reviewers seem to have been driving a 340i with a completely different steering system, or one that was not working as it should be. Thanks for this review too. Good to read another positive one. I'm really liking that blue color. Too bad BMW doesn't give us a no added cost bright wheel to go with the track pack like they do on these test cars. The dark wheel is nice but I don't like it on the blue, but it looks very nice on the silver or white colors. |
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07-17-2015, 11:36 AM | #31 |
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Two years back, after taking a F30 320Xi followed by 3GT 28i and F25 X3 28i for a test-drive I had to buy...the old-chassis-new-engine E84 X1 28i because of that Electric Steering on F30, which had just shocked with its unstability and artificial feedback.
The steering reaction was lazy with rattling and noisy hits at the bumps and the pothholes. Felt cheap and plastic. Huge disappointment with no inprovement with LCI...shame on BMW engeneering...such a marvelous exterior with a "al-dente" chassis.
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07-17-2015, 11:41 AM | #32 | |
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M-adap and VSS used to be the DHP prior to LCI. I too think that it's the steering effort control that has some complaining and the actual function of VSS. But as we can see there are reviewers with completely different experiences and opinions on the new steering. There has to be some difference among this fleet because there can't be that kind of disparity between pro reviewers if the steering is the same and working as it should be. |
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07-17-2015, 11:42 AM | #33 |
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Hydraulic. Rack. Please.
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07-17-2015, 11:44 AM | #34 | |
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But I don't think it's the VSS, it's just the electric assist steering in general because even non VSS F30's feel the same. BTW, my 335i doesn't exhibit any "twithcyness" on highway. Maybe it's your tires and tramlining? I switched to Conti UHP AS non RFT tires about 2K miles in when new, and they've been excellent. |
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07-17-2015, 11:48 AM | #35 |
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My F31 VSS steering has clunking noise when going over some bumpy roads since new. Took my car to BMW Hong Kong and they said it was totally normal and safe to drive. What a xxxking disappointment!
I had owed and driven many cars so far, and none of them had this clunking steering noise. Frankly speaking, I did not expect this kind of issue from a new BMW car. I am hoping the LCI model has got this issue fixed. Otherwise, it will continue to ruin the reputation of BMW cars being an "Ultimate Driving Machine". If LCI F30 does fix the clunking steering issue, please update all infected owners in this forum about the New Steering Rack part no. If this issue is not resolved, please provide some solution such as Steering Damper Kit Retrofit. |
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07-17-2015, 11:55 AM | #36 | |
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As for the pre LCI steering, I can only speak for the early F30's prior to the steering rack changes BMW made after 10/2013. My steering feels artificial in weight, and is numb all around. It is nothing like the steering in former 135i or E46 325i, and not even as good as my '06 A4. It is accurate and allows great control over the car. However, the problem is that there is no "feel" to what is happening at the tires, and the changes in electric assistance changes too much. Leave the steering effort at one freaking level, period. Steering should go lighter as speed increases that is what naturally happens in cars with standard no power assist steering. BMW is overthinking the level of steering effort assist needed at different speeds. |
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07-17-2015, 12:01 PM | #37 |
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If the update is so subtle that the reviewers cannot agree on it, it's not an update. I wanted to see a comprehensive update that will lift the interior from IKEA style to something more in-line with the cars from the 21st century, like C Class and the new A4.
Besides the engines, I'm not sure what the 3 Series has going for it. It's not luxurious like the C or the A4, not as dynamic as the ATS or the IS. What's left? A religious fan base maybe.
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You just answered your own question. From what you're saying BMW is exactly where it's always been - in the middle, most balanced overall. BMW was never the most luxurious and at times, was never the most dynamic, it's always been the best at doing everything well.
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Yes, I realize all that and was calling it DHP out of habit, but it is the same thing.
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I've never understood the complaints on the steering. I have VSS on mine and I think the steering feel is just great! I've had lots of sporty cars and sports car like a 300ZX Twin Turbo and a Mazda RX7 Turbo plus a whole slew of British crates back in the early 70s. My 335 ix has better steering feel than any car I ever owned. Mine you, I've never owned a German car before and, I must say, they are far removed from the average ride. Can't imagine how nice a Porsche Cayman must be.
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The reason why BMW never had any big updates at LCI is because ... it didn't need to. The competition was so poor that it didn't need to. But times have changed and BMW starts to run on the fumes of past achievements. IMHO, of course
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I know it sells very well, to moms and spoiled kids. For $280 / mo you can drive a 3 Series. That's great for BMW and I wish them only the best. Hey, look, I'm not trying to pick up a fight here. This is the 3 Series owners forum, and ppl love their cars. I was expressing an opinion, for me the 3 was a disappointment and I hoped the LCI will fix that. That's all
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07-17-2015, 12:53 PM | #44 | |
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You likely know the following, I am posting it for those who may not. This is the part that can be and is confusing: "...have a 2014 335i with DHP/VSS and did not order VSS on purpose this time on my 340i. I did order M-Sport with DHP though." DHP is not offered on the 340i. DHP and the new "track package" are not the same thing. DHP only included VSS and the M-adaptive suspension. Track package has VSS, M-adaptive, Msport brakes, and different wheels. You can't remove VSS from the former DHP nor from the new track pack. To keep VSS out of a 340i you have to go with the standard car or get an Msport without the track pack. I'm trying to decide being these items and options myself that's why I'm into the minutia of it. |
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