Msport brakes worth the £500?

Tengocity · 03-20-2014, 10:41 AM

Worth it for £500 on cosmetics alone for me!..

I've driven cars with and without and for everyday driving - commuting, shopping etc and there is nothing appreciably different in terms of safety etc.

Where the MSport ones were better is if you're someone who really punts the car along the country roads and are in situations where you would do repeated deep braking. Yes that may be on the track, but you can still do this on the normal roads too on occasion.

If you tested both on a distance to stop from 30 or 60mph I suspect there wouldn't be a lot in it, as braking performance here is limited as much by tyres than actual braking power (especially in the wet)... where the difference with the M sport brakes will be is the ability to repeat that more often before they fade.

So again, this comes down to how you drive, where you drive and hence what your needs are.

And yes, 18" wheels fit over the 335d brakes no problems, but that is the minimum size.

chiark · 03-20-2014, 10:49 AM

I did 48k miles in my 330i. I was still on the original pads when I sold it. I think it's safe to say I don't use the full performance of brakes

Just been to see my car with m sport+ (and therefore the blue brakes), and it was next to a 320D without the m sport brakes. Damn they look good

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I am tempted to track my car, just for the giggles...

dazzapb · 03-20-2014, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ukbeemerboy

The standard brakes on a 335 are the same spec as the M sport brakes anyway....

The standard brakes on any BMW I would say were well up to the job in everyday driving. If they aren't then I would be questioning the style of driving.

Hi I was under the impression this is not the case. Could have changed though and this is US info of course

Stole this info from elsewhere. Sorry can't recall where

Original Brakes on "high power" models (335i)
Front rotor: 340mm brake rotor with 4 piston caliper
Rear rotor: 330mm brake rotor with 1 piston caliper

Original Brakes on "low power" models (320i/328i)
Front rotor: 312mm brake rotor with 1 piston caliper
Rear rotor: 300mm brake rotor with 1 piston caliper

M-Sport Brake Option (2NH) (Blue “M” calipers)
Front rotor: 370mm Brake Rotor with 4 pistons (for on "high power" models)
Front rotor: 340mm Brake Caliper with 4 pistons (for "low power" models)
Rear rotor: 345mm Brake Caliper with 2 pistons (on all models)

M-Performance Brake Kit (Yellow, Orange or Red “M” calipers)
For a "high power" car (all that have 4 piston front brake calipers as factory standard):
Sizes are the same as M-Sport 2NH option but all rotors are dimpled and slotted
For a "low power" car (all that have 1 piston front brake calipers as factory standard):
370mm front rotors, 345mm rear rotors - all dimpled and slotted

alex_chung · 03-20-2014, 11:56 AM

Its a pity that you couldn't choose the colour of the calipers on the M Sport + pack. Yellow would have made our Superman specced cars a bit better :-)
Alex

pmheadwired · 03-20-2014, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by uke92dude

So you're saying the brakes BMW fit from the factory as standard aren't good enough to stop the car and are not safe?!?

Where in my post did I say that ya muppet!

Just saying the M Sport version is 1. BETTER and will stop the car quicker and 2. Look much better with the nice blue callipers and M Sport Logo.

Proftinkerpot · 03-20-2014, 10:02 PM

I have the blue Brembo brake upgrade and I think they are superb. My Impreza STi had them too and I knew how good they were. They look fantastic send the bigger discs look amazing behind 19" & 20" alloys. I'm sure standard brakes are fine but I would have no doubt the stopping distances will be reduced with these. To retro fit will be costly as the Brembo calipers are dear. A specialist I know does some rally builds and front calipers and discs off a delivery mileage impreza would get snapped up at £850 + and technically those are secondhand.

matx1982 · 03-21-2014, 02:34 AM

In my opinion it is absolutely worth it, for looks alone if nothing else.

People would pay £300-500 for a carbon spoiler on the back so it's good value really.

The M Sport system can be retrofitted, as can the M Performance system obviously.

I sold my M sport system to someone on the forum when I moved to the M Performance setup. I'm guessing it's quite a rare upgrade so probably not many about for sale.

Mat

Proftinkerpot · 03-21-2014, 03:18 AM

I suspect that outside of an enthusiast forum like this, there are very few people who will drive much more than stock cars. On here there will be a disproportionate number of high end, high spec cars. In reality the number of 335i and 335 and 330d models sold will be small compared to the number of 318 and 320 cars. Brakes similarly are not something people think of investing in. Many will spend £500 or more for greater performance but rarely will they seek to improve stopping power.

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Tengocity General 8566 Rep 19,982 Posts Drives: 911, Cayenne Turbo, Disco 4 Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Crieff, Perthshire, Scotland iTrader: (0)	Worth it for £500 on cosmetics alone for me!.. I've driven cars with and without and for everyday driving - commuting, shopping etc and there is nothing appreciably different in terms of safety etc. Where the MSport ones were better is if you're someone who really punts the car along the country roads and are in situations where you would do repeated deep braking. Yes that may be on the track, but you can still do this on the normal roads too on occasion. If you tested both on a distance to stop from 30 or 60mph I suspect there wouldn't be a lot in it, as braking performance here is limited as much by tyres than actual braking power (especially in the wet)... where the difference with the M sport brakes will be is the ability to repeat that more often before they fade. So again, this comes down to how you drive, where you drive and hence what your needs are. And yes, 18" wheels fit over the 335d brakes no problems, but that is the minimum size. __________________ Current: Porsche 911 991 C4S, Porsche Cayenne Turbo, Land Rover Discovery 4. Gone...G01 X3 M40i, Cayman S 987, F31 340i, Cayman GT4, F82 M4 CP, Lotus Exige V6, G20 330e, F30 330e, Boxster S 987, F31 335d, Mini Cooper SD, E89 Z4, E90 330d 320d, E60 520d, E46 330d 320d, MX5s, E30 325i Last edited by Tengocity; 03-20-2014 at 10:54 AM..
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chiark Lieutenant 14 Rep 459 Posts Drives: F31 330D 2014 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Yorkshire iTrader: (1)	I did 48k miles in my 330i. I was still on the original pads when I sold it. I think it's safe to say I don't use the full performance of brakes Just been to see my car with m sport+ (and therefore the blue brakes), and it was next to a 320D without the m sport brakes. Damn they look good . I am tempted to track my car, just for the giggles...
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alex_chung Second Lieutenant 16 Rep 260 Posts Drives: 320d xDrive M Sport (Plus) Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Glasgow iTrader: (0)	Its a pity that you couldn't choose the colour of the calipers on the M Sport + pack. Yellow would have made our Superman specced cars a bit better :-) Alex
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Proftinkerpot Major 219 Rep 1,359 Posts Drives: F30 335d M Sport -Superman Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Belfast iTrader: (0)	I have the blue Brembo brake upgrade and I think they are superb. My Impreza STi had them too and I knew how good they were. They look fantastic send the bigger discs look amazing behind 19" & 20" alloys. I'm sure standard brakes are fine but I would have no doubt the stopping distances will be reduced with these. To retro fit will be costly as the Brembo calipers are dear. A specialist I know does some rally builds and front calipers and discs off a delivery mileage impreza would get snapped up at £850 + and technically those are secondhand.
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matx1982 M Performance 672 Rep 755 Posts Drives: G05 X5 + F90 M5 + G80 M3 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: UK iTrader: (0) Garage List 2021 X5 [0.00] 2021 M5 Competition [9.17] 2022 M4 CSL [10.00] 2022 M3 Xdrive Comp ... [10.00]	In my opinion it is absolutely worth it, for looks alone if nothing else. People would pay £300-500 for a carbon spoiler on the back so it's good value really. The M Sport system can be retrofitted, as can the M Performance system obviously. I sold my M sport system to someone on the forum when I moved to the M Performance setup. I'm guessing it's quite a rare upgrade so probably not many about for sale. Mat __________________ F90 M5 Frozen Dark Silver Ultimate G80 X Riviera Blue w/ Kyalami Carbon Ultimate G05 30d Mineral White Instagram - @matfireworks
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Proftinkerpot Major 219 Rep 1,359 Posts Drives: F30 335d M Sport -Superman Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Belfast iTrader: (0)	I suspect that outside of an enthusiast forum like this, there are very few people who will drive much more than stock cars. On here there will be a disproportionate number of high end, high spec cars. In reality the number of 335i and 335 and 330d models sold will be small compared to the number of 318 and 320 cars. Brakes similarly are not something people think of investing in. Many will spend £500 or more for greater performance but rarely will they seek to improve stopping power.
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