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      06-24-2022, 10:14 PM   #1
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Perfect b58 daily driver fueling setup?

Interested to hear your ultimate daily driver fueling setup.

Currently e30 on mhd stage 2 with stock hpfp but looking at mhd flex and a hpfp upgrade with stock turbo for low torque. I don't have any aspirations to upgrade my turbo but equally wouldn't feel comfortable running the oem snail maxed out.

I'm 400-450whp now I guess but would like to see a solid 500whp at which point I'd cap it off and stop chasing numbers.

What would your next steps be at this point?
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      06-24-2022, 10:39 PM   #2
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Interested to hear your ultimate daily driver fueling setup.

Currently e30 on mhd stage 2 with stock hpfp but looking at mhd flex and a hpfp upgrade with stock turbo for low torque. I don't have any aspirations to upgrade my turbo but equally wouldn't feel comfortable running the oem snail maxed out.

I'm 400-450whp now I guess but would like to see a solid 500whp at which point I'd cap it off and stop chasing numbers.

What would your next steps be at this point?
TU pump + E30 + Stage 2.5 would get you close to 500whp. E50 is more of a kill map/fuel killer than a daily driver. Also PI/CI for meth or E is not viable either. I'm running the DAW with TU pump on E30 and its one of the best daily driver setups imo. Looking to get the DS2 and flex fuel kit soon to top off the setup for rn but thats my take on it
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TU Pump with MHD ECA for flex fuel will be your ideal setup. Switch from pump 91 or 93 up to E40 and the tune will self adjust without having to worry about blending all the time or switching flashes.
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      06-25-2022, 09:16 AM   #4
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I was running the MHD E40 HPFP map using E50-60 and was still getting timing drops. I then went to the 93 HPFP map and run about E15-20 (4 gal E85 to full tank of 93). My mpg increased by only 2 but now I have zero timing drops and feel it is a much safer daily setup. It's probably only 420whp but still feels fast compared to the regular 93 maps
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What do you mean by timing drops and why not HPFP 95 map ?

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I was running the MHD E40 HPFP map using E50-60 and was still getting timing drops. I then went to the 93 HPFP map and run about E15-20 (4 gal E85 to full tank of 93). My mpg increased by only 2 but now I have zero timing drops and feel it is a much safer daily setup. It's probably only 420whp but still feels fast compared to the regular 93 maps
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      06-25-2022, 12:48 PM   #6
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Interesting guys. You got me looking at turbo upgrades lol
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Interesting guys. You got me looking at turbo upgrades lol
If you get a turbo upgrade and stick with DI only, you can run a boost level to where the turbo isn't working itself so hard
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What do you mean by timing drops and why not HPFP 95 map ?
Timing pull/timing drop, indicating not a safe tune for the octane. Honestly I don't think the 95 map was there when I flashed last. Looks like it may have been added in a recent update?
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Yeah not able to hold timing is no good, HPFP 95 has been there for a while very close to E40 map but less aggressive give it a try.

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Timing pull/timing drop, indicating not a safe tune for the octane. Honestly I don't think the 95 map was there when I flashed last. Looks like it may have been added in a recent update?
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Yeah not able to hold timing is no good, HPFP 95 has been there for a while very close to E40 map but less aggressive give it a try.
Would you be able to review one of my logs on my E30 map TU + daw to see if I'm holding my timing up? I think at the time I was doing mixtures at E31 but now I'm aiming for E30.x

https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=625e...90c64a0a337863
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Timing holding up really well, cylinder 6 lagging a bit at top end but one cylinder lagging is not considered dropping.

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Would you be able to review one of my logs on my E30 map TU + daw to see if I'm holding my timing up? I think at the time I was doing mixtures at E31 but now I'm aiming for E30.x

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      06-26-2022, 01:03 PM   #12
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You are at the perfect daily setup. Once you go further and break the ice you'll just continue to chase gains.
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Timing holding up really well, cylinder 6 lagging a bit at top end but one cylinder lagging is not considered dropping.
Should I be worried about that cylinder dropping?? could it be related to a spark or ignition coil deficiency?
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Could be but it looks normal, if same cylinders is always lagging check coil and plug.

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Should I be worried about that cylinder dropping?? could it be related to a spark or ignition coil deficiency?
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Could be but it looks normal, if same cylinders is always lagging check coil and plug.
I appreciate your wisdom and insights on my logs. I hope overall the tune that Im running is considered "conservative" as I specifically said I wanted it to be on the conservative side.
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IMO yes and very reasonable.

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I appreciate your wisdom and insights on my logs. I hope overall the tune that Im running is considered "conservative" as I specifically said I wanted it to be on the conservative side.
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Catted DP, TU pump, BM3 w/Flex Fuel sensor, stage 2+ multimap tune

Passes emissions with a quick flash without any hardware removal/reinstallation
Can run on any quality or mix pump gas without reflashing
Can run on a completely stock car or new/locked DME with no tune present.
Runs smooth as stock with insane power gains.
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IMO yes and very reasonable.
Hey man I just got sent a revision and these are my logs: https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=62bb...729b427d92aeb6

How is everything?
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Looking very good would be even better if you add a little more Ethanol as Timing is starting to struggle (not dropping) a little bit at the end of 4th gear - beginning of 5th gear.

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Hey man I just got sent a revision and these are my logs: https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=62bb...729b427d92aeb6

How is everything?
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Looking very good would be even better if you add a little more Ethanol as Timing is starting to struggle (not dropping) a little bit at the end of 4th gear - beginning of 5th gear.
Alright for sure I was thinking of targeting E31.xx. Should I target more towards E32 (ex: E31.8) or stick to E31 (ex: E31.4)? I had a little dip on the TU hpfp at 4500 RPMs at E30.00-E31.00 so I may just target exactly E31

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Go for E32 tu pump shoud hold up no problem.

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Alright for sure I was thinking of targeting E31.xx. Should I target more towards E32 (ex: E31.8) or stick to E31 (ex: E31.4)? I had a little dip on the TU hpfp at 4500 RPMs at E30.00-E31.00 so I may just target exactly E31
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Go for E32 tu pump shoud hold up no problem.
Alright for sure perfect I also think that the tune can be more dialed in as well both in timing and in boost levels.
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