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      10-15-2019, 03:23 PM   #155
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Also, you're comparing this to mainstream brands, but what mainstream brand is offering a subcompact sedan for over $30-50k? Sure a Camry can go towards $40k but its a different class in size and type.
Technically, this would be a compact sedan in the same class as the Corolla, Civic, Sentra, Mazda3, Impreza, Elantra, Forte, Jetta, etc.

Of course, since this is from a premium brand, as you suggest, it's not really meant to be a competitor to those vehicles. It's clear rivals are the Audi A3/S3, Mercedes CLA/CLA35, and the Acura ILX.

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Ford Focus RS
Honda Civic Type-R
Subaru WRX, WRX STI
The Focus RS was a hatchback, and is no longer available (anywhere in the world). The Civic Type R is also a hatchback. The WRX pair do meet the criteria though, yes.

But as noted above, they are not strictly competitors since they are not premium vehicles per se. Their higher MSRP is accounted for by being special high performance versions of what is essentially a garden variety compact sedan (the Impreza). Although they don't share with the current generation Impreza, that is only because they have been on the market so long without a clean-sheet redesign.
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      10-15-2019, 03:38 PM   #156
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      10-15-2019, 03:44 PM   #157
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Let's see now:

- No Hoffmeister
- No kidneys (that's one solid lump of grille)
- Headlights considerably higher placed than front wheel wells

This is about as un-BMW a BMW as I've ever seen, Isetta and 5GT included.

I get why BMW went FWD and I can understand the reasoning behind some of the changes they're making, but I see absolutely no point in going for a Golf-sized, Golf-packaged BMW, when there is such a thing as... well... a Golf.
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      10-15-2019, 03:55 PM   #158
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looks like its missing a couple chromosomes, and why is it back to being M235i? BMW get ur shit together
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      10-15-2019, 03:56 PM   #159
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This is comically bad.
Sad to say, but thatís indeed it.

It looks nothing like a BMW. Really nothing at all.
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      10-15-2019, 03:57 PM   #161
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I think this looks great and is perfect for the customer that's in the market for this type of car from BMW. Interestingly, to me, the rear ie tail lights and shape, would work really well on the X4 or X6. My only gripe is the hood cut line, too bad you can't get rid of it.
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Look on the bright side err'body...

All this means is that older gen BMW's (especially ///M models) will skyrocket in value.
Surprised it took 3 pages of comments until this was said. I always laugh when I see this. 99% of vehicles don't appreciate in value. That will be the case here, no matter how ugly the new 2'er is. As others have said, there's tons of people on a budget who'd love to have the BMW badge on their next car and could care less about anything else.
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Aw man, that gray one in the back looks so generic. It looks like me at my first high school party. DON'T NOTICE ME LEAVE ME ALONE I WILL BLOSSOM INTO A BEAUTIFUL M2 WHO DON'T NEED NO WOMAN SOME DAY



That is one tall and bulky booty. Is this thing coming to the US?
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BMW M240 4-door:

S3's a good looking car, right proportions, and nice simple but sharp lines, if I was going FWD, I'd probably take a good look at one vs the 2GC. Also a new generation is coming soon, although based on the leaks, the hatch's great design has been butchered to look like a small Q3/5, so the sedan might lose its good design soon.
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Of course, since this is from a premium brand, as you suggest, it's not really meant to be a competitor to those vehicles. It's clear rivals are the Audi A3/S3, Mercedes CLA/CLA35, and the Acura ILX.


I would say it would rival the A Class sedan but not the 2020 CLA.
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      10-15-2019, 04:42 PM   #166
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      10-15-2019, 05:03 PM   #167
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We need this car bad!!! I am excited about it. I wish they would have used the 1 Series designation instead.
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People will buy this for badge only!
I'm not sure if your post is a bigger insult to BMW or this vehicle's future owners. When you insinuate that people will only purchase because of the brand, it's an tacit acknowledgement that you don't find any value in BMW's products. Otherwise you'd be able to identify how this vehicle is superior to its competition. Surely you agree this is a better car than a Honda, Toyota, Chevrolet, Ford, etc.; no?
No this is not better. This is a BMW corolla. As has been mentioned by numerous posters. I'll leave it at that as I'll get mods pissed at me if I go further.

I'm at the tail end of my relationship with BMW at this point. Sad.

Driving a loaner Audi Q7 right now as I'm away on business. The wife and I both think it's a better product then what BMW is offering in this category. After 16 years with BMW our next cars will most likely be an Audi or Merc. Plus with Merc we can still do European Delivery

FWD BMWs shouldn't exist. Period
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