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New Speed Limits - Enforcement
How long is it before Police/Speed Camera vans can start enforcing a new Speed Limit?
Was having the discussion with the other half, there's been a speed limit change on a road near us from 50 to 40. We both thought there was a like a grace period before the new limit could be enforced? If you didn't use the road on a regular basis you'd probably hardly notice the change, no 'New Speed Limit' signs have gone up. Maybe a question for TouringPleb |
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10-23-2020, 03:15 PM | #3 |
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There is no grace period.
Breaking the limit on the day it comes into legal force is an offence. Some police forces or councils might not enforce it immediately, they might put up cameras to log the speed and put it up on a sign to educate and remind people, but that's not required |
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Surely part of driving 'with due care and attention' is noticing when speed limit signs change? |
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My other half noticed the signs one way, but at the other end she was saying there wasn't any. When I went they've been placed right on tricky junction, I can see how they could be easily missed. Just we both thought there'd be a period where they'd have to allow road users to notice the change, it's an unlit country road with the signs at one end in a place that you may not notice. |
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10-23-2020, 04:29 PM | #7 |
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I recall there was about a month or so before they reduced the cameras on Princess Parkway on the way into Manchester when they reduced it from 40mph to 30mph with lots of signage.
But that is a main route into Manchester and I think it was a very sensible approach. |
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10-24-2020, 05:14 AM | #8 |
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Slightly different question.....distance from sign before the new speed is enforceable.
I remember reading somewhere that there was a practical distance past the sign that the new speed wouldn't be enforced. A slowing transition if you like. This seems to be 'a thing' as in the next village from me the authorities installed average speed cameras, they later had to reposition one as the start was almost exactly on the speed transition line. About 5m from the speed sign and would definitely fall foul of allowing a steady deceleration. Now with that level of practicality and fairness in mind, on my way home one fine evening I witnessed gantry cameras going beserk on the oncoming side, continuously flashing cars almost non stop (M1 HADECS3). When I looked back at why, the variable had just gone from unrestricted to 50, catching out tens of drivers in that short transition. No danger in the road, other than the moronic artificial braking zone now imposed. Totally unfair if tickets were dished out to that group of drivers IMO. |
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10-24-2020, 07:33 AM | #9 | |
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The only 'allowance' in as regards to speeding was the (very) old ACPO guidance that there should be a 10% + 2mph allowance before enforcement took place. But that was 'guidance' to officers only. Officers were only told that their actions should be 'fair, consistent, and proportionate'. |
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A few years ago, a local bypass road up here near Glasgow had the limit reduced from 40 to 30. Cops were out with the gun on the changeover day. I know of a few people caught out by this.
The traffic cops up here are brutal, no mercy. Another occasion, they done a friend of mine for 33 in a 30 at 1am on our way back from a cinema trip. The place was dead, and they claimed to be able to capture his speed from within the vehicle. |
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Unfair but a decent enough cash earner. I’ve seen it happen several times when I’m heading home on the M5 - cameras on the opposite carriageway firing off thanks to a temporary speed reduction. Never seen a reason for the reductions yet.
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And just to confirm, there's no grace period with any lawfully displayed road sign which gives an order. Ie red circle border. What may be interesting is that it's mentioned that there's no street lighting? In which case if the limit is anything other than the national speed limit, then there has to be repeaters after the main change in limit sign.
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Good practice might suggest a highly visible NEW SPEED LIMIT IN FORCE sign.
It's not required though. The law is the law, and even 1mph over the limit is an offence. People (in the UK) seem to think it's "10% + 2mph", but that has no weighting at all, it was only a suggestion from the ACPO (Association of Chief Police Officers) that they might not seek prosecution for lesser breaches below that level. Individual forces can choose to prosecute any offence.
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By the same token, certainly as far as VSL's are concerned & gantry signs, you can be 99.999% certain they will meet legislative requirements, simply due to the cost involved with them. Edit... It's always worth remembering that the last sign you pass is the one you obey, until signed otherwise.
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And of course things could well change in England and in time we might end-up with a zero tolerance approach to speed limit enforcement - we're not there yet though. |
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Each to their own, though, if there are people who genuinely believe we have a zero tolerance approach to speed limit enforcement in England that's fair enough, they're entitled to their opinion.... |
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