01-06-2024, 07:16 AM | #1 |
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737 Max (mkII)
Thought to be by many people, as the safest aircraft ever, after the initial catastrophic software issues.
WTF?. What other hardware design problems are there?
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01-06-2024, 07:52 AM | #2 |
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Why oh why didn't they modernise the good old 757, a truly fantastic bird. I know about the whole pilot type rating thing but surely running a conversion training for pilots would have been more logical than bastardisation of an ancient chassis.
I reluctantly got on a Max last year and hated every minute. That and it felt barely more refined than the -800. |
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01-06-2024, 08:09 AM | #3 |
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As per a previous thread, I’ll never fly on any of the Max aircraft.
Having a section of fuselage rip out of an airframe beggars belief. Can you imagine being next to that and not having your seatbelt on ? Boeing literallly builds death traps these days.
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01-06-2024, 02:08 PM | #4 |
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shame, my fav planes to travel on have always been Boeings.
The 747 was just amazing, The 777 with those engines powering up. Travelled on a Dreamliner, doesn't feel that good tbh. Just hope the newer 777 x is reliable |
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01-07-2024, 04:09 AM | #7 |
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Are there not at least 3 versions of recent 737. The 800 series that had the original software issue, the Max 8 series and now the Max 9 which the Alaska plane was.
The Max 9 issues appears to have been about an aera of the frame where sometimes a door can be placed. the issue arises of whether series 800 and Max 8 share the same frame design in that aera |
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You can input the airline in here to give you an idea how Boeing heavy an airline is. https://www.airfleets.net/home/ I think we'll see more people taking an interest in the OEM aircraft brand they're flying on if the COMAC arrives in Europe. |
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01-07-2024, 05:38 AM | #9 |
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I check what fleets the airlines run before I book with them, then you can normally look up the actual aircraft it’s scheduled to be either via the carrier themselves or seatguru with your flight code.
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01-09-2024, 07:21 AM | #13 |
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LOL. Most are fine, 777 787 747 all excellent planes, Used to be Airbus with issue before.
United airlines have found loose bolts on there max models Lets all waiti for the chines Comac to come in service. then you can be scared |
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01-09-2024, 12:18 PM | #15 |
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Try entering the flight detail in the 'seat maps' section on this website.
https://www.seatguru.com/ |
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01-09-2024, 02:19 PM | #16 | |
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I'd start with airline selection. Ryanair would be a "never" as its fleet is largely (all ?) Boeing. easyJet is exclusively Airbus, so I wouldn't need to research any further. And, yes, I know these are low cost domestic operators rather than transatlantic / USA / etc. If an airline operates a mixed fleet I'd try to find out which aircraft manufacturers it typically uses for each country and/or sector. Then ask the travel management company to advise the particular aircraft for each sector. It'd be very simple. If any of the sectors involved recent/affected Boeing aircraft I'd refuse, on the grounds of risk to my personal safety, to make the trip. Boeing's recent safety record would easily pass a legal test under "reasonable grounds" for my refusal.
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I always check plane type when booking tickets, for instance making sure I get A380 over B777 if the airline operates both (like SQ/EK).
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01-09-2024, 03:00 PM | #18 |
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Thanks both, looks like a 777 for the trans atlantic bit and an A321 for the within the states bit. Both no doubt better than the 12 seater for the last leg!
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01-09-2024, 03:51 PM | #19 | |
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On the Boeing front this still doesn't sound good. Back when BA were taking delivery of 757's they reckoned 75% of them needed major rework with sensors incorrectly wired, etc etc. In the last 40 years it seems nothing's changed, other than planes are more complicated, technology more finicky, and the margins are closer than they were previously so when shit goes wrong, there's more consequence. Single sensors rather than multiple being one but another is just how many planes the original 707 fuselage is still ostensibly in use in the 737 today. The current problems sound like continued lack of sufficient QA processes. If they were sufficient the list of numerous carriers all flagging the same issues, and new planes having 'potentially missing bolts' is just unforgivable, especially in the aftermath of the first two 737 Max issues. |
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How that airframe went out of production and the stubby 737 got bastardised to try to carry the same loads is ridiculous. And yes the A321neos are filling a longer range niche now, with the A321neo XLR due to step it up another level.
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01-10-2024, 02:16 PM | #21 | |
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The 737 Max with the newer massive engines thrust forwards on the pylons just looks wrong. I know that this is both subjective and not necessarily true to performance but if you compare them to the first and second gen versions they're a world apart from the simple elegance. It's crazy how bastardised the platform has become compared to the elegance of the 757 which literally catered for the same criteria as the Max 8/9 now do. That was another story (we were talking about this the other day when I was still up there); apparently they were circling waiting for a break in the weather in a 737 and the pilot said that there weren't any better alternatives so they were going to 'give it a go', a confidence inspiring phrase if ever there was one. A wild landing by all accounts, followed by the pilot not realising he had left the cabin radio switch on and saying to the planes following 'be careful, that's the closest I've ever come to losing an aircraft on landing'. Apparently one of the stewardesses ran through to the cockpit (pre 9/11 days) which led to a click, and silence. |
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01-10-2024, 05:58 PM | #22 |
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Watching the downfall at Boeing on Netflix (not that they are an authority considering they pumped out that harry shite) and other sources I am not surprised. Was chatting to a few friends at work late last year about not trusting them tightning the bolts.
When the execs have corporate manslaugter (even murder) on their hands from the max scandal and no one goes to jail (pay a huge fine) then this is the moral hazard that results. |
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