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      02-01-2017, 04:23 PM   #23
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I played it on launch day at my buddies house. Hopefully it's more stable now with less bugs.The $400 package is not a complete package for you need buy the camera and motion sticks. One thing that got to me is why sony only used 1 camera and not two. Severally limits what you can do and what it tracks.
Sounds to me like they rushed an incomplete product to the market.
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I don't know if its just me but I don't find sitting in front of a PC playing enjoyable at all.

Wireless controller, big screen tv, kick back on the bed and play seems more attractive. Hence the PS kicks ass.

So im not really getting the PC gamers, am I missing something?
Text chat is a big reason. More controls and generally higher skilled players. Ability to use mods on games.
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I'm not getting a ps4 pro and I don't think I will get consoles anymore after this generation.

I'm willing to bet MS Project Scorpio "console" will be like a steam machine. A PC stuffed into a smaller case w/ upgradeable parts.
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I'm willing to bet MS Project Scorpio "console" will be like a steam machine. A PC stuffed into a smaller case w/ upgradeable parts.
This. looks very promising.
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I'm willing to bet MS Project Scorpio "console" will be like a steam machine. A PC stuffed into a smaller case w/ upgradeable parts.
Not convinced. That would cannibalize their sales.

What's happening here, now they've moved to more off the shelf parts, is a simple refresh of existing architecture. However, this is probably more akin to utilizing laptop parts (read: BGA package) than an LGA package. Other than the disk, I seriously doubt the HW will be field upgradable. Which begs the question...why? You're now forking over year over year for mediocre performance. Xbone s only a year before this?

Now, something console specific that you can upgrade by going through the party in question...that may be more palatable, but the price has to be right. Think Asus Avalon...a properly modular system that you don't need to dig into and any kid can do it.
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Asus Avaon is a pc. Which is why I believe project scorpio will be a console/pc hybrid with a version of desktop Windows OS.

MS has already begun cannibalizing their Xbox market by having new games available day one on Win 10. What exclusives does MS have solely on Xbox now? Forza, GoW, Halo are all available on PC with cross buy support.
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friend has the pro with the VR. The PS VR is so laggy and choppy. frame rate dips. Doesn't even come close to my PC Vive VR.
IMO no point of upgrading. It's not even native 4k and graphics aren't any better.
LOL you just compared PSVR and Vive, thats like comparing a Geo to an M4, totally different class.
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      02-10-2017, 01:12 PM   #30
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Asus Avaon is a pc. Which is why I believe project scorpio will be a console/pc hybrid with a version of desktop Windows OS.
I was using the Avaon as an example of a modular system. It's the same commoditized hardware that's modular.

If Scorpio is a true hybrid, then it's not a console anymore and anyone can potentially build a less expensive version that will probably perform better, thus why would you buy it from MS? If that's not the case, then it's an Apple model where there will be some specific HW to allow it to only play games for that particular system (eg not cross platform compatible), which means you're still stuck in that ecosystem with substandard parts.

And that cross buy isn't across the board.

That said, it's not going to be stuffed with PC parts (in the general sense) as I'm sure it will be platform specific, thus we're no better off than where we are in the console arena today.
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Does anyone here even own a pro or are y'all just talking crap about it?

I love my pro. It's only $100 more and it's 4K. It a great deal at a low price.
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Does anyone here even own a pro or are y'all just talking crap about it?

I love my pro. It's only $100 more and it's 4K. It a great deal at a low price.
LOL. I don't own a PRO. We are just talking about pros and cons.

Did you upgrade from a regular PS4 or just buy the PRO outward?

I agree that if you're in the market for a PS4, you might as well get the PRO because the price difference is negligible. The real question is, is it worth dumping the regular PS4 for a +/- $150 and then picking up a $400 PRO for people who already own a PS4...
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Does anyone here even own a pro or are y'all just talking crap about it?

I love my pro. It's only $100 more and it's 4K. It a great deal at a low price.
It's not native 4k but optimized
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LOL. I don't own a PRO. We are just talking about pros and cons.

Did you upgrade from a regular PS4 or just buy the PRO outward?

I agree that if you're in the market for a PS4, you might as well get the PRO because the price difference is negligible. The real question is, is it worth dumping the regular PS4 for a +/- $150 and then picking up a $400 PRO for people who already own a PS4...
This.
Owning a regular PS4 I can't justify to upgrade.
Might be worth the upgrade if you already own a 4k TV for VR purposes but since I own a gaming pc with the Vive it's stupid.
There sales will tank more with the release of the Nintendo switch which I preordered lol.
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I upgraded my regular (civic!) PS4 to a pro as I had a 4K HDR TV and am more than happy with it. As has been stated it's not night and day difference but certainly a decent bump up in capabilites. The new 4.5 firmware releasing soon also includes a boost mode for the pro for those games where developers haven't released patches. When games like Horizon:Zero Dawn release (in a few days I think) that will really show the extended capabilities of the pro - at least from the preview vids.

As for VR, it's not the gold plated Vive solution and some graphics can be a bit blocky (looking at you PS2 graphics Driveclub VR!) but the immersion is spectacular and you soon forget about the (slight) lack of graphical fidelity. I defy anyone to play Batman Arkham VR and not feel cool when you put on the famous cowl, or indeed to sh*t your pants playing Resident Evil 7 in VR.

Both Pro and PSVR represent new steps forward, and software to take advantage of them will improve I'm sure; it's only 3-4 months since release after all
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Does anyone here even own a pro or are y'all just talking crap about it?

I love my pro. It's only $100 more and it's 4K. It a great deal at a low price.
I have the Pro and really like it, my first PS4. Haven't had any problems with it so far and love the controller.
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It's not native 4k but optimized
It is my understanding that most are 4k optimized but there are some games like TLOU that run native 4k.

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LOL. I don't own a PRO. We are just talking about pros and cons.

Did you upgrade from a regular PS4 or just buy the PRO outward?

I agree that if you're in the market for a PS4, you might as well get the PRO because the price difference is negligible. The real question is, is it worth dumping the regular PS4 for a +/- $150 and then picking up a $400 PRO for people who already own a PS4...
I would say it depends. Do you want better FPS? That's mainly the difference other than a little sharper details in games.

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This.
Owning a regular PS4 I can't justify to upgrade.
Might be worth the upgrade if you already own a 4k TV for VR purposes but since I own a gaming pc with the Vive it's stupid.
There sales will tank more with the release of the Nintendo switch which I preordered lol.
The PS4 is already the king of this console generation. Scorpio will be fancy and all but I don't understand why people brag about a system that isn't even out yet. Switch is Ps4 and xb1 tech, Nintendo always does this and they're behind the times. Only reason to buy one is for Mario or Zelda. Nintendo wii u didn't even have an optical audio port.

Also, Xbox has crap exclusives.

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i think general consensus is ps4 owners don't necessarily see the need to upgrade and new purchasers should go with the ps4 pro.

Even if you dont have HDR i think the ps4 pro will run current and future games better. When I play FFXV and there is a graphic heavy scene, my ps4 has graphics artifacts all over the screen implying that it is running at its max.
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I still run PS3 + GT5&6, waiting for the jump to PS4VR + GT sport... for the use I give to this old setup, I'm more than happy with PS3 and will be waiting forever if they still don't offer a solid package for driving in VR.
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It is my understanding that most are 4k optimized but there are some games like TLOU that run native 4k.



I would say it depends. Do you want better FPS? That's mainly the difference other than a little sharper details in games.



The PS4 is already the king of this console generation. Scorpio will be fancy and all but I don't understand why people brag about a system that isn't even out yet. Switch is Ps4 and xb1 tech, Nintendo always does this and they're behind the times. Only reason to buy one is for Mario or Zelda. Nintendo wii u didn't even have an optical audio port.

Also, Xbox has crap exclusives.
Except for Forza.
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That said, it's not going to be stuffed with PC parts (in the general sense) as I'm sure it will be platform specific, thus we're no better off than where we are in the console arena today.
And there you have it. Oh well.
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And there you have it. Oh well.
Are there any news on the Scorpio?
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Are there any news on the Scorpio?
they released some specs but we should see full specs at E3.
something like a $500 price point and will play 4k at 60 FPS
6 teraflops of cpu power, 12 GB ram. Graphics card is not mentioned but something on par to a titan x?
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Now that it's been a little over a year since the PS4 Pro release, how do you guys like it? Is it a worthwhile upgrade over the regular model?

For those that went from regular to Pro, how hard was it to move the game data? Or were you even able to?

I haven't done much research on this but how easy/hard is it to move existing saved game data?
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