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      08-25-2018, 11:40 PM   #23
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Late model 335 over a 9 year old one.
Excellent point, I thought about that too (years/mileage). Thanks for bringing it up man!
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Having had an E90 M3, I would likely take the 335 if use is mainly a DD.
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Having had an E90 M3, I would likely take the 335 if use is mainly a DD.
Thanks for chiming in! Did you use yours for DD? What were the issues you encountered? Do you have a 335 now? DD seems to be a major factor when it comes to the M3. If I do decide to get one I'm thinking to keep the Jeep I'm using right now for DD.
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Late model 335 over a 9 year old one.
The last V8 M3 over a F30 that will be a forgotten car in automotive history.
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I have to admit that I looked at the e90 m3 when I got my f30 335i but being my only car so would be my DD, the huge maintenance costs and the much older interior and entertainment system killed it for me.
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If it's your daily driver, go with the F30.

How many miles will the E90 M3 have on it, 60k, 70k+?
E90 M3 might be more fun (and the exhaust note is glorious), and hold its value better, but the downsides are less fuel efficient, old tech, less low end torque, maintenance on a 8+ year old M car won't get cheaper.
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I have to admit that I looked at the e90 m3 when I got my f30 335i but being my only car so would be my DD, the huge maintenance costs and the much older interior and entertainment system killed it for me.
Dude, I'm completely convinced that I'm getting a F30 335 until I saw a couple of 10-11 e90 M3's within my budget. One was a little over my budget but low mileage. And yes, the plan if I get an F30 is to be my dd but with the M3 I may have to keep my Jeep that I'm currently using for DD.
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If it's your daily driver, go with the F30.

How many miles will the E90 M3 have on it, 60k, 70k+?
E90 M3 might be more fun (and the exhaust note is glorious), and hold its value better, but the downsides are less fuel efficient, old tech, less low end torque, maintenance on a 8+ year old M car won't get cheaper.
Yes 530 will be a dd. I have the option to keep my Jeep for dd if I go for M3.

But "maintenance on a 8+ year old M car won't get cheaper." is starting to scare me. What's like the ball park monthly figure for maintaining an e90 M3??
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If it's your daily driver, go with the F30.

How many miles will the E90 M3 have on it, 60k, 70k+?
E90 M3 might be more fun (and the exhaust note is glorious), and hold its value better, but the downsides are less fuel efficient, old tech, less low end torque, maintenance on a 8+ year old M car won't get cheaper.
Yes 530 will be a dd. I have the option to keep my Jeep for dd if I go for M3.

But "maintenance on a 8+ year old M car won't get cheaper." is starting to scare me. What's like the ball park monthly figure for maintaining an e90 M3??
You'll hear a lot about replacing/preventative maintenance of throttle actuators, and rod bearings with the S65 engine.

If you're looking at one to buy, get all the maintenance history you can and find out what was done.
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Don't be worried (too much) about maintenance, and don't be worried (at all, IMO) about DD-ability. Both are comfortable BMW sedans, both have good sound systems, both have adequate cargo space, both are modern enough to have features you'd expect in a DD now-a-days, and both get less than ideal fuel economy, what else is there to DDing a car? It depends entirely on your taste, but you probably won't find the M3 too rough of a ride, and for that it'll be endlessly sharper and more dynamic than the F30.

As for maintenance, from what I understand, the S65 + 6MT (DCT just as stout) is a very stout powertrain. The motor and E90 itself have their own unique quirks that could cost money in the long-run, but what M car, or BMW generally for that matter, doesn't? You'll be just as worried about the HPFP and valve cover gasket on the F30 335i as you will be with the throttle actuators and rod bearings in the E90 M3. Wouldn't you be worried in the M3 than the 335i. One is much more worth worrying about to me... Bottom line: just because the M3 has it's reliability shortcomings, don't let that scare you away. Look for a good example with as low miles as you can afford and extensive service records, and it will be as good to you as you are to it. Will the F30 be more reliable? Probably, but it's not worth the difference between and M3 and a 335i, to me at least.
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Don't be worried (too much) about maintenance, and don't be worried (at all, IMO) about DD-ability. Both are comfortable BMW sedans, both have good sound systems, both have adequate cargo space, both are modern enough to have features you'd expect in a DD now-a-days, and both get less than ideal fuel economy, what else is there to DDing a car? It depends entirely on your taste, but you probably won't find the M3 too rough of a ride, and for that it'll be endlessly sharper and more dynamic than the F30.

As for maintenance, from what I understand, the S65 + 6MT (DCT just as stout) is a very stout powertrain. The motor and E90 itself have their own unique quirks that could cost money in the long-run, but what M car, or BMW generally for that matter, doesn't? You'll be just as worried about the HPFP and valve cover gasket on the F30 335i as you will be with the throttle actuators and rod bearings in the E90 M3. Wouldn't you be worried in the M3 than the 335i. One is much more worth worrying about to me... Bottom line: just because the M3 has it's reliability shortcomings, don't let that scare you away. Look for a good example with as low miles as you can afford and extensive service records, and it will be as good to you as you are to it. Will the F30 be more reliable? Probably, but it's not worth the difference between and M3 and a 335i, to me at least.
Im not worried about using M3 for daily but the impression I'm getting is that one would rather preserve the M3 and avoid daily use as much as possible in order to A. Hold its value and B. Minimize wear n tear/maintenance.

Yes, have to do some research/homework on rod bearings and throttle actuators. Looks like those are it's main issues and they even occur at low mileage based on what I've read so far. Do you think it's better to get one that has a bit higher mileage but service records show that rod bearings have already been replaced??
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I would head to the M3 E90/92 forum here and search/ask owners there - bet they'll have a lot of info on this topic.
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Im not worried about using M3 for daily but the impression I'm getting is that one would rather preserve the M3 and avoid daily use as much as possible in order to A. Hold its value and B. Minimize wear n tear/maintenance.

Yes, have to do some research/homework on rod bearings and throttle actuators. Looks like those are it's main issues and they even occur at low mileage based on what I've read so far. Do you think it's better to get one that has a bit higher mileage but service records show that rod bearings have already been replaced??
I think for DDing you'd be better off with something in the 50k-65k mile range that has great service records to go with it, rather than an ultra low mileage one. Worrying about preserving it is a personal prerogative, if you want to go that route you can, if not, just treat like a DD should be treated. I totally get what you're saying about preserving it as the classic it is, but I'd only be worried about that if I had an example with like 10k miles or something. Going with a good higher mileage example kind of makes you feel less bad about racking up miles on the M3. Then again, you could keep your jeep for long trips, bad weather and other DD type duties so you don't have to worry about that as much.
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The last V8 M3 over a F30 that will be a forgotten car in automotive history.

BMW N/A V8 really? This is why they went turbo with the current M3.

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/bmw/...m3-comparison/
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BMW N/A V8 really? This is why they went turbo with the current M3.

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/bmw/...m3-comparison/
You missing the point obviously.

If you can purchase a car today that will most likely NOT drop in value over your Ownership, it isn’t the F30.

And a E90 will outperform a F30.
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https://www.motortrend.com/cars/bmw/...m3-comparison/
He's not talking about the performance merits of the N/A V8, which are clearly bested by the modern turbo 6, he's talking about the fact that it's the last N/A BMW M3. This immediately makes it a classic (1) and it will always be in demand, which means it will hold value well (2). IK6SPEED don't mean to put words in your mouth but... trying to clear things up
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I would head to the M3 E90/92 forum here and search/ask owners there - bet they'll have a lot of info on this topic.
Yes, I started browsing there on topics regarding RBs and throttle actuators. A lot to learn, absorb, and to decipher. Thanks for chiming in!
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He's not talking about the performance merits of the N/A V8, which are clearly bested by the modern turbo 6, he's talking about the fact that it's the last N/A BMW M3. This immediately makes it a classic (1) and it will always be in demand, which means it will hold value well (2). IK6SPEED don't mean to put words in your mouth but... trying to clear things up
Its worth about 45/50% of its original MSRP holding value well for a BMW. A run of the mill 2011 911 is about 50/55%. Classic 911's of 2011 sell for as much a 110% of original MSRP so I would not go to far out on the "classic" limb.

2004 330Ci ZHP 5MT convertible like my old one are selling currently at 25% of original MSRP & its not a classic by any stretch.

Performance wise the M3 has slipped to the 109 & 110 position on the VIR lighting laps chart & those were coupes not 4 doors. Too many not very expensive cars running a way better now days. Time is not being very kind to the N/A V8 M3. On the street low torque till 3500rpm is not your friend.

I would take the discount & get a 5 year newer 335 spend $500 for a JB4 or edge up to a 340.
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BMW N/A V8 really? This is why they went turbo with the current M3.

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/bmw/m3/2011/2011-2011-ford-mustang-gt-vs-2011-bmw-m3-comparison/
He's not talking about the performance merits of the N/A V8, which are clearly bested by the modern turbo 6, he's talking about the fact that it's the last N/A BMW M3. This immediately makes it a classic (1) and it will always be in demand, which means it will hold value well (2). IK6SPEED don't mean to put words in your mouth but... trying to clear things up
Correct.

Some will get it. Some never will.
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Its worth about 45/50% of its original MSRP holding value well for a BMW. A run of the mill 2011 911 is about 50/55%. Classic 911's of 2011 sell for as much a 110% of original MSRP so I would not go to far out on the "classic" limb.

2004 330Ci ZHP 5MT convertible like my old one are selling currently at 25% of original MSRP & its not a classic by any stretch.

Performance wise the M3 has slipped to the 109 & 110 position on the VIR lighting laps chart & those were coupes not 4 doors. Too many not very expensive cars running a way better now days. Time is not being very kind to the N/A V8 M3. On the street low torque till 3500rpm is not your friend.

I would take the discount & get a 5 year newer 335 spend $500 for a JB4 or edge up to a 340.
Like you said, it is holding value well for a BMW. And, if E46 M3 trends are to be applied to the E90, E90 values will start going up in the coming years.

I agree on the "classic" point. The E90 M3 is not a classic, yet. The A80 Supra also wasn't considered a classic in 2007, but it certainly is now. I mean classic loosely, not in the old, nostalgic sense, but in the "last of it's kind" sense. The E90 M3 is certainly the last of it's kind, an N/A M car.

To stay within the bounds of this discussion, the M3 is a better performer hands down than any F30. Whether the E90 was beat around VIR by other more inexpensive cars isn't really important here. It could not be beaten around VIR by an F30 335i.
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Have you ever actually driven an E9x M3? The power band really sucks for daily driving as it is a high revving motor that makes most of it's power at the top of the rev range. If you're slogging through traffic it's not going to be fun and you'll get horrible gas mileage (mid teen's in traffic).

It's a pretty stiff ride as well. That being said, it's a much more rewarding car to drive/own but just depends on how you'll actually drive it. If you're looking for straight line power the 335i with mods is prob best. The M3 will hold it's own in a straight line but it's when you start focusing on the handling is where it really shines.

F30/F80 interior in the 3 series is a much nicer place to be in for a daily and the power/torque for daily driving is much more usable.

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Have you ever actually driven an E9x M3? The power band really sucks for daily driving as it is a high revving motor that makes most of it's power at the top of the rev range. If you're slogging through traffic it's not going to be fun and you'll get horrible gas mileage (mid teen's in traffic).

It's a pretty stiff ride as well. That being said, it's a much more rewarding car to drive/own but just depends on how you'll actually drive it. If you're looking for straight line power the 335i with mods is prob best. The M3 will hold it's own in a straight line but it's when you start focusing on the handling is where it really shines.

F30/F80 interior in the 3 series is a much nicer place to be in for a daily and the power/torque for daily driving is much more usable.
The small torque figure in the M3 is a downfall, like I mentioned earlier. It shouldn't really effect daily driving though, unless your doing hard accelerations every merge and from every stop. And yes, a lightly modified F30 335i could surpass it in a straight line, but you could also strap a VF blower to an S65 and run easy 11's in the quarter. I've never driven one admittedly, but have ridden in, for fairly long distances, and the suspension was totally adequate comfort wise the entire time. The seats are comfortable, and it is plenty modern enough. The F30 is more modern with more features, but to me that doesn't edge it out over the M.

My main point is that the M3 is just sooo much cooler than the F30. That may mean more to me than to others, so be it. I would rather walk out to an M3 every day than a 335i. That's really what it comes down to for me. It will also hold value better as was discussed above.

I'm glad we're having this discussion. Equal advocates on each side for OP to make a decision
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