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      10-31-2018, 09:32 PM   #23
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I didn't Dyno the MP S1/2, but definitely better than stock and Dinan elite, however on Monday I Dyno'd HC Performance Stage2 (will be available on BM3), on a mustang Dyno

374wHP/389t

Stock mustang numbers I have seen are in the 280-290 wHP
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I didn't Dyno the MP S1/2, but definitely better than stock and Dinan elite, however on Monday I Dyno'd HC Performance Stage2 (will be available on BM3), on a mustang Dyno

374wHP/389t

Stock mustang numbers I have seen are in the 280-290 wHP
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Don't feed the troll.

Keep us updated. I just dyno my 340i JB4 map 5 and hit best of 410/426:
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When MHD and BM3 are released, with logging and custom tune options, it will really open the platform.
THIS and MHD back-end flash for the JB4.
I'm not trolling, but MP to me honestly was a joke the numbers it put out is practically the same as a JB4 and you're paying like $1,000 for the tune? I just hit 410RWHP with the JB4 i don't think i have seen a MP tune hit over 400whp i mean it's a 'flash tune' it should be running like those damn MHD and BM3 type of tunes you come across on instagram. If I'm not mistaken, HC hit like 430whp with a flash only? That's what you call a flash tune.
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THIS and MHD back-end flash for the JB4.
I'm not trolling, but MP to me honestly was a joke the numbers it put out is practically the same as a JB4 and you're paying like $1,000 for the tune? I just hit 410RWHP with the JB4 i don't think i have seen a MP tune hit over 400whp i mean it's a 'flash tune' it should be running like those damn MHD and BM3 type of tunes you come across on instagram. If I'm not mistaken, HC hit like 430whp with a flash only? That's what you call a flash tune.
I hit 401whp with MP tune and high flow catted DP.
Stock was 300whp.
It does feel much smoother than my previous experiences with JB4s.

But I do kind of wish I had waited for MHD or BM3 so I could log and select options myself.
I have been asking for my tune to be updated with cold start delete since the middle of August.
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Keep us updated. I just dyno my 340i JB4 map 5 and hit best of 410/426:
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When MHD and BM3 are released, with logging and custom tune options, it will really open the platform.
If I'm not mistaken, HC hit like 430whp with a flash only? That's what you call a flash tune.
That's the tune I have, but on a 240, pretty sure the 430 was on a 440, not even sure that matters, BUT, according to HC:

Last car, similar did 432whp

Thing is, on pump this is what you'd get. I don't like to go mad on the torque, it's more linear than a big peak dropping its face.

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Since I ran on a Mustang, not a DynoJet, I have read anywhere from 7-13 % drop to expect, mine is a 13% difference. I have spoken with him, and Alex, and the local shop, and they all said fuel limitations are easily reached on some BMrs in pump gas. He said fuel it helped them solve it with their m4 (google worlds fastest M4 TPG, that's the shop I go to), and a Stage 2 turbo will solve that. Next week I am going to show them my Dyno run, and see if things can get upped at all before I get a new fuel pump (they were out of town for HapTech World Cup finals, so I ran on a different Dyno).
HENCE, it would be great if FuelIt would release a new pump
Anyway, ..... car is running very fast and smooth

Also, after my experience with the Dinan Elite, I have no interest in a piggy back solution, and, also, the MP tune with all the options is still about $400 less than the Dinan, (Dinan gave me a full refund).
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That's the tune I have, but on a 240, pretty sure the 430 was on a 440, not even sure that matters, BUT, according to HC:

Last car, similar did 432whp

Thing is, on pump this is what you'd get. I don't like to go mad on the torque, it's more linear than a big peak dropping its face.

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Since I ran on a Mustang, not a DynoJet, I have read anywhere from 7-13 % drop to expect, mine is a 13% difference. I have spoken with him, and Alex, and the local shop, and they all said fuel limitations are easily reached on some BMrs in pump gas. He said fuel it helped them solve it with their m4 (google worlds fastest M4 TPG, that's the shop I go to), and a Stage 2 turbo will solve that. Next week I am going to show them my Dyno run, and see if things can get upped at all before I get a new fuel pump (they were out of town for HapTech World Cup finals, so I ran on a different Dyno).
HENCE, it would be great if FuelIt would release a new pump
Anyway, ..... car is running very fast and smooth

Also, after my experience with the Dinan Elite, I have no interest in a piggy back solution, and, also, the MP tune with all the options is still about $400 less than the Dinan, (Dinan gave me a full refund).
Been following the HC Performance/Wrench Studios development closely (since they work directly with PTF). Did they give you any indicator as to an ETA for BM3 availability? I'm 8 hours from the closest shop who can flash the HC maps unfortunately..
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Been following the HC Performance/Wrench Studios development closely (since they work directly with PTF). Did they give you any indicator as to an ETA for BM3 availability? I'm 8 hours from the closest shop who can flash the HC maps unfortunately..
I didnt ask him
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THIS and MHD back-end flash for the JB4.
I'm not trolling, but MP to me honestly was a joke the numbers it put out is practically the same as a JB4 and you're paying like $1,000 for the tune? I just hit 410RWHP with the JB4 i don't think i have seen a MP tune hit over 400whp i mean it's a 'flash tune' it should be running like those damn MHD and BM3 type of tunes you come across on instagram. If I'm not mistaken, HC hit like 430whp with a flash only? That's what you call a flash tune.
You’re throwing around dyno numbers like they’re comparable across different brands of dynos, with different operators and different correction factors. There are only a few variables to make power on a turbo car. Boost, timing and fuel are the only variables to manipulate to make power. Until the mechanical limit is solved with a new fuel pump there’s no magic bullet that MHD, PTF or even God himself is going come up with to make any more power than Mission Performance, while still not running on the ragged edge of risking engine damage.

If you want to critique their slow response due to the move, that’s one thing, but to call their tune a joke after they were the first company to bring a true B58 flash tune to the general public is out of line. An 88 WHP delta (294-382) on the exact same dyno from just software, with much smoother drivability over the JB4 is anything but a joke.
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To be honest. I’ve driven two (not counting mine) B58’s with JB4/catted downpipes and it literally had no hiccups. They have their settings setup really well and some might not even share them for their reasoning.

For me, I run into throttle closures due to the catless downpipe. I have minimized it but still have some work to do when I get some free time.

I can understand if someone feels the mission tune not being impressive as numbers are similar or better/worse than JB4, but I have yet to see proof that JB4 damages the engine. Especially with the right settings and fuel. I have had 40k+ miles on my JB4 alone. Constant e85 mixes and octane mixes included.

I have gotten drive-train malfunctions in 1st gear when I’m heasitant with the pedal than going WOT which I believe might be an issue with ecu/JB4 limitations. Maybe MP tune has a benefit here? To avoid those malfunctions? I see some members have experienced it too, but many have not. Maybe mods/map settings might help that too?

Anyways, JB4 benefits at the moment (for me) overall outweigh the current MP flash tune. I haven’t had time to review other companies.

Until we get more benefits from flash tuning, I would still take JB4 over the flash tune that mission offers. To each their own.

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You’re throwing around dyno numbers like they’re comparable across different brands of dynos, with different operators and different correction factors. There are only a few variables to make power on a turbo car. Boost, timing and fuel are the only variables to manipulate to make power. Until the mechanical limit is solved with a new fuel pump there’s no magic bullet that MHD, PTF or even God himself is going come up with to make any more power than Mission Performance, while still not running on the ragged edge of risking engine damage.

If you want to critique their slow response due to the move, that’s one thing, but to call their tune a joke after they were the first company to bring a true B58 flash tune to the general public is out of line. An 88 WHP delta (294-382) on the exact same dyno from just software, with much smoother drivability over the JB4 is anything but a joke.
Sell your JB4 and get the MP flash tune
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THIS and MHD back-end flash for the JB4.
I'm not trolling, but MP to me honestly was a joke the numbers it put out is practically the same as a JB4 and you're paying like $1,000 for the tune? I just hit 410RWHP with the JB4 i don't think i have seen a MP tune hit over 400whp i mean it's a 'flash tune' it should be running like those damn MHD and BM3 type of tunes you come across on instagram. If I'm not mistaken, HC hit like 430whp with a flash only? That's what you call a flash tune.
Weren't you on an E30 mix too? Not saying those aren't great numbers but apples to apples - you aren't even in the same ballpark in comparing. Pretty sure just about every major flash tune has consistently outperformed JB4's since N54 days...

Far as I know nobody has dyno'd a flash tune to a JB4 back to back to see, if they did I expect you would see some noticeable differences. Pretty sure it's not needed though...this happens every time the BMS guys come in defending their choices because flash tunes just became available. This was the same thing over on the F80 side and now look at them...crickets about piggybacks. As mentioned once BM3 and PTF is released which will be soon I suspect JB4's will become the #1 sold item in the marketplace...happened during the N54, N55, S55, days and so on.
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Weren't you on an E30 mix too? Not saying those aren't great numbers but apples to apples - you aren't even in the same ballpark in comparing. Pretty sure just about every major flash tune has consistently outperformed JB4's since N54 days...

Far as I know nobody has dyno'd a flash tune to a JB4 back to back to see, if they did I expect you would see some noticeable differences. Pretty sure it's not needed though...this happens every time the BMS guys come in defending their choices because flash tunes just became available. This was the same thing over on the F80 side and now look at them...crickets about piggybacks. As mentioned once BM3 and PTF is released which will be soon I suspect JB4's will become the #1 sold item in the marketplace...happened during the N54, N55, S55, days and so on.
3 gallons = e20
4.6 gallons = e30
To a full tank

I’m not defending bms I will flash my car when the right tune is available or even use the back end flash with the jb4 if it’s worth it. If you look at the MP thread I was on the list for a group buy until I saw the outcome and the cost which definitely wasn’t worth it imho.
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3 gallons = e20
4.6 gallons = e30
To a full tank

I’m not defending bms I will flash my car when the right tune is available or even use the back end flash with the jb4 if it’s worth it. If you look at the MP thread I was on the list for a group buy until I saw the outcome and the cost which definitely wasn’t worth it imho.


I have a 340i as well. I'm going to try E?? in the next few weeks. I hear with our size tank 4.0 gallons is the sweet spot, have you experimented anymore than 3 gallons?
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I have a 340i as well. I'm going to try E?? in the next few weeks. I hear with our size tank 4.0 gallons is the sweet spot, have you experimented anymore than 3 gallons?
Try it out just log though if you can. I haven’t tried more then 3 gallons I usually keep it within 2.5-3 gallons max.
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To be honest. I’ve driven two (not counting mine) B58’s with JB4/catted downpipes and it literally had no hiccups. They have their settings setup really well and some might not even share them for their reasoning.

For me, I run into throttle closures due to the catless downpipe. I have minimized it but still have some work to do when I get some free time.

I can understand if someone feels the mission tune not being impressive as numbers are similar or better/worse than JB4, but I have yet to see proof that JB4 damages the engine. Especially with the right settings and fuel. I have had 40k+ miles on my JB4 alone. Constant e85 mixes and octane mixes included.

I have gotten drive-train malfunctions in 1st gear when I’m heasitant with the pedal than going WOT which I believe might be an issue with ecu/JB4 limitations. Maybe MP tune has a benefit here? To avoid those malfunctions? I see some members have experienced it too, but many have not. Maybe mods/map settings might help that too?

Anyways, JB4 benefits at the moment (for me) overall outweigh the current MP flash tune. I haven’t had time to review other companies.

Until we get more benefits from flash tuning, I would still take JB4 over the flash tune that mission offers. To each their own.
I've had zero issues, errors, codes or hiccups with my MP tune.
I've had it since August and run it hard (road, track and strip).

The only annoyance I have are to do with BMWs programming around the manual box, which were there before the tune, it is just more noticable with the extra power.
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I've had zero issues, errors, codes or hiccups with my MP tune.
I've had it since August and run it hard (road, track and strip).

The only annoyance I have are to do with BMWs programming around the manual box, which were there before the tune, it is just more noticable with the extra power.
Glad you have no issues. What kind of fuel do you run? Adding any e85?
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Glad you have no issues. What kind of fuel do you run? Adding any e85?
I've just been running 98ron(~US 93).
But added a splash of ethanol (around 20%) to my last fill up, haven't had a chance to really open it up and see if it feels any different.
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JB4 will be retained for logging capabilities as well as eventual meth control.
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JB4 will be retained for logging capabilities as well as eventual meth control.
By the way the shop I had my car hit the rollers said a MP flash and water-meth 440i came in for a dyno and it couldn’t hit more then 400whp
I hope that issue got resolved with the owner

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By the way the shop I had my car hit the rollers said a MP flash and water-meth 440i came in for a dyno and it couldn’t hit more then 400whp
I hope that issue got resolved with the owner
Im in SoCal too - what shop - thnx
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And i think Mission tune was the biggest joke released on the market after reading through the entire thread and seeing the dyno results after.
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