[bowhun2r]

Very tasteful. Not over done. Not fast-n-furious..

Enjoy your ride. Looks awesome.

[Calvin36]

Originally Posted by ksa

All you guys going on about should have gotten an M sound like you've never heard of snow and the need for an AWD vehicle? I got rid of my M3 for that reason.

Plus, it's not quite THAT much close to price in Canada. I am working on an EXACT same car such as this with my dealer and all-in it's around $86K. That is about $10K lower than a lightly spec'ed M3 or M4 (or same price as absolutely base M3 or M4) and if going competition package or as in Canada they called it the ultimate package, you're looking at around $105K for the M.

So while the price may be close it's note quite the same and more importantly AWD is something we almost need considering the kind of winters we get.

This man gets it. Not everyone wants or needs a M car. He needs something practical for the snow and a M car is definitely on the worse for snow side of the spectrum.

[6ixSpd]

Originally Posted by Calvin36

This man gets it. Not everyone wants or needs a M car. He needs something practical for the snow and a M car is definitely on the worse for snow side of the spectrum.

Except that it's not. LSD + winter tires can tackle any challenge winter throws at you in these developed parts...

It's cool, people may prefer AWD but don't blame the car, blame the drivers. Many people have been using RWD with winter tires for years, it's perfect capable.

[JunkStory]

As a daily driver, I'd take this over an M4 hands down. It's a much more civilized package

[Benzima]

Stunning car! Congrats!

[ksa]

Originally Posted by 6ixSpd

Except that it?s not. LSD + winter tires can tackle any challenge winter throws at you in these developed parts...

It?s cool, people may prefer AWD but don?t blame the car, blame the drivers. Many people have been using RWD with winter tires for years, it?s perfect capable.

I always find this argument hilarious. Regardless of the driver skills, a high performance rwd vehicle is simply NOT an ideal choice in snow. You can do it but it is not something that should be considered on the same level as an awd vehicle. I've driven a C63AMG and a couple of M's in winter with winter tires for many years and I can tell you while it is doable it most certainly isn't anything even remotely close to an awd vehicle with winter tires. Especially when you throw in substantial highway driving into the equation when the cars are going at higher speeds.

No matter what you say to justify it to yourself (trust me I did too and in fact will probably do it again in the future) a high performance rwd vehicle for its all true intended point and purpose is not designed for snowy roads when you can't even use the car anywhere close to its true potential to make it worthwhile having one. Hell, even in summer you can't if you don't take it to the track (part of the reason why I got rid of mine). Just because something is 'doable' doesn't always mean it's the smartest thing to do.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by KC328_F30

Fantastic! Man I gotta say those GTS rims have really grown on me.

Will those rims fit the F30 body?

makes me wonder why people make snap decisions on wheels after seeing them once on a web page.

[Calvin36]

Originally Posted by ksa

I always find this argument hilarious. Regardless of the driver skills, a high performance rwd vehicle is simply NOT an ideal choice in snow. You can do it but it is not something that should be considered on the same level as an awd vehicle. I've driven a C63AMG and a couple of M's in winter with winter tires for many years and I can tell you while it is doable it most certainly isn't anything even remotely close to an awd vehicle with winter tires. Especially when you throw in substantial highway driving into the equation when the cars are going at higher speeds.

No matter what you say to justify it to yourself (trust me I did too and in fact will probably do it again in the future) a high performance rwd vehicle for its all true intended point and purpose is not designed for snowy roads when you can't even use the car anywhere close to its true potential to make it worthwhile having one. Hell, even in summer you can't if you don't take it to the track (part of the reason why I got rid of mine). Just because something is 'doable' doesn't always mean it's the smartest thing to do.

Yep. Anything is possible but do you really want to live with it? Some people can justify it but that doesn't mean others believe the same thing.

[TylerJamesInc]

WOW.
Absolutely gorgeous.
Why are guys asking why the OP didn't get an M? Or a 2 or 3 or 5?!
He got this car- and optioned it this way- because it's exactly what he wanted. Is that not obvious?!

Anyway, amazing car. Nice work

Originally Posted by classyfast

Nobody with non-m cars is slapping M badges on their shit, lets be serious here. Ricers and dumb ass foreign kids do that shit, no real bmw guy does that nonsense. It is sacrilege. BMW has been doing that shit from the factory more and more over the last few years though, it is not our fault they bastardized M a long time ago.

Just so you know where I am coming from, I have owned every iteration of m3 from e36 to e92, I have had 4 335s (07 pre-lci e92, 11 e90 lci, an 11 e92 lci) and my current 14 f30. I have also debadged every bmw Ive owned the last 17 years except for my current leased X1 and past leased x3. Most folks I know do the same so nobody is adding m badges to anything.

BMW should have written m-sport or m-tech or something to differentiate. That's why nobody cares about an m car being special nowadays. I would much rather have an awd modded 335 that can hang with or eat up m-cars, and drive it year round.....then have a hooptie or winter car and garage the damn thing for the winters. But thats my opinion living in New England and getting older! Lol. When M cars go awd, I'll start buying M cars again.

Just wanted to quote this, because I couldn't agree more. M-Sport owners get called fanboys and ///wanna-be's, as if we did something wrong by buying the car! We don't try to play it off like it's an M.

[germ]

"M Performance F82 Parking Brake"

LOL.

[Calvin36]

Originally Posted by classyfast

Nobody with non-m cars is slapping M badges on their shit, lets be serious here. Ricers and dumb ass foreign kids do that shit, no real bmw guy does that nonsense. It is
sacrilege. BMW has been doing that shit from the factory more and more over the last few years though, it is not our fault they bastardized M a long time ago.

Just so you know where I am coming from, I have owned every iteration of m3 from e36 to e92, I have had 4 335s (07 pre-lci e92, 11 e90 lci, an 11 e92 lci) and my current 14 f30. I have also debadged every bmw Ive owned the last 17 years except for my current leased X1 and past leased x3. Most folks I know do the same so nobody is adding m badges to anything.

BMW should have written m-sport or m-tech or something to differentiate. That?s why nobody cares about an m car being special nowadays. I would much rather have an awd modded 335 that can hang with or eat up m-cars, and drive it year round.....then have a hooptie or winter car and garage the damn thing for the winters. But thats my opinion living in New England and getting older! Lol. When M cars go awd, I?ll start buying M cars again.

Regarding the 335is, that is and was probably the best non-m car ever. I drove my cousins regularly and enjoyed it much more than my e92 M3 I owned.

The new M5 is AWD.

[AWSB328iM]

Originally Posted by germ

"M Performance F82 Parking Brake"

LOL.

Emergency brake handle

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by ksa

I always find this argument hilarious. Regardless of the driver skills, a high performance rwd vehicle is simply NOT an ideal choice in snow. You can do it but it is not something that should be considered on the same level as an awd vehicle. I've driven a C63AMG and a couple of M's in winter with winter tires for many years and I can tell you while it is doable it most certainly isn't anything even remotely close to an awd vehicle with winter tires. Especially when you throw in substantial highway driving into the equation when the cars are going at higher speeds.

No matter what you say to justify it to yourself (trust me I did too and in fact will probably do it again in the future) a high performance rwd vehicle for its all true intended point and purpose is not designed for snowy roads when you can't even use the car anywhere close to its true potential to make it worthwhile having one. Hell, even in summer you can't if you don't take it to the track (part of the reason why I got rid of mine). Just because something is 'doable' doesn't always mean it's the smartest thing to do.

In the US people buy AWD because they don't want to mount snow tires. It's funny I know.

[FLOSS M]

Amazing color and build ??!!!

[6ixSpd]

Originally Posted by ksa

I always find this argument hilarious. Regardless of the driver skills, a high performance rwd vehicle is simply NOT an ideal choice in snow. You can do it but it is not something that should be considered on the same level as an awd vehicle. I've driven a C63AMG and a couple of M's in winter with winter tires for many years and I can tell you while it is doable it most certainly isn't anything even remotely close to an awd vehicle with winter tires. Especially when you throw in substantial highway driving into the equation when the cars are going at higher speeds.

No matter what you say to justify it to yourself (trust me I did too and in fact will probably do it again in the future) a high performance rwd vehicle for its all true intended point and purpose is not designed for snowy roads when you can't even use the car anywhere close to its true potential to make it worthwhile having one. Hell, even in summer you can't if you don't take it to the track (part of the reason why I got rid of mine). Just because something is 'doable' doesn't always mean it's the smartest thing to do.

Of course an AWD car with winter tires will outdo a RWD in certain situations, arguing otherwise is ridiculous. At higher speeds on the highway, the point actually becomes moot. AWD won't help you stop faster, so what advantage is it giving you there?

And yes, you can actually use a solid RWD sports car in the snow. You just need to drive it differently and equip proper winter tires, which was my initial statement to begin with. I've been driving slammed, impractical, high torque, RWD cars in the winter for many years. A 470wtq 335i and a W211 E55 AMG were two of them. I drove them through some of the worst conditions you can throw at a car in these developed parts, even road tripped through a nasty blizzard to Chicago in a February storm that saw 18 wheelers in the ditch down in the interstates. With a good set of winter tires, there was zero lack of confidence in the car's ability to get me to my destination safely. Of course an AWD car could've been even better, and that word implies the item being compared isn't necessarily bad. The RWD car was not incapable of completing the task, ever.

And in the summer the driving dynamics of any AWD car are nowhere near as fun as an RWD, period. 9 times out of 10, the RWD variant will be more enjoyable, will respond better to driver inputs, get better fuel economy, and will perform better than it's AWD counterpart. The benefits of AWD in less than half the year do not outweigh it's cons the other half of time if your goal is driving a high performance sports car to begin with.

Some of us do track, some of us do actually drive our cars outside of a highway. If your argument is you can't use a car to near it's potential even in summer, then why are you driving a performance car in the first place? I find that argument even more hilarious.

[classyfast]

Originally Posted by Bahn360Photo

When u drive both we can talk

Fortunately bmw doesn?t agree with your statement on M being special, just like thousands of people that buy them.

Go back and read, I have driven and owned both prior.

If you think an f80/82 is worth anything close to 100k even loaded to the gills like some of the folks have on here.....your absolutely nuts and you are part of the reason Bmw keeps killing people for recent cars. IMO, an f8x should be max 65-70k loaded.....GTS maybe over 100k, and thats about it. Absolutely preposterous that BMW can get close to 6 figures for a 3 or 4 series M or not! Lol. But hey, keep paying the piper!!

OP: your car is beautiful, nothing taken away from that. AWD ftw!

[Bahn360Photo]

Originally Posted by classyfast

Go back and read, I have driven and owned both prior.

If you think an f80/82 is worth anything close to 100k even loaded to the gills like some of the folks have on here.....your absolutely nuts and you are part of the reason Bmw keeps killing people for recent cars. IMO, an f8x should be max 65-70k loaded.....GTS maybe over 100k, and thats about it. Absolutely preposterous that BMW can get close to 6 figures for a 3 or 4 series M or not! Lol. But hey, keep paying the piper!!

OP: your car is beautiful, nothing taken away from that. AWD ftw!

I didn?t say that paying 100k for m4 is worth while.

But you are being hypocritical, u say m4 is not worth 100k loaded but a 440 is worth 70k.

I am saying that for 70k m4 is way better car in every single aspect. I can even argue awd, I have snow tires which is better than awd and summer tires

[AWSB328iM]

Would have looked stunning with the individual golden brown interior!

[Deluxx3]

Originally Posted by KC328_F30

Fantastic! Man I gotta say those GTS rims have really grown on me.

Will those rims fit the F30 body?

Without the orange accents, they look amazing IMO

[JunkStory]

Originally Posted by 6ixSpd

Of course an AWD car with winter tires will outdo a RWD in certain situations, arguing otherwise is ridiculous. At higher speeds on the highway, the point actually becomes moot. AWD won't help you stop faster, so what advantage is it giving you there?

And yes, you can actually use a solid RWD sports car in the snow. You just need to drive it differently and equip proper winter tires, which was my initial statement to begin with. I've been driving slammed, impractical, high torque, RWD cars in the winter for many years. A 470wtq 335i and a W211 E55 AMG were two of them. I drove them through some of the worst conditions you can throw at a car in these developed parts, even road tripped through a nasty blizzard to Chicago in a February storm that saw 18 wheelers in the ditch down in the interstates. With a good set of winter tires, there was zero lack of confidence in the car's ability to get me to my destination safely. Of course an AWD car could've been even better, and that word implies the item being compared isn't necessarily bad. The RWD car was not incapable of completing the task, ever.

And in the summer the driving dynamics of any AWD car are nowhere near as fun as an RWD, period. 9 times out of 10, the RWD variant will be more enjoyable, will respond better to driver inputs, get better fuel economy, and will perform better than it's AWD counterpart. The benefits of AWD in less than half the year do not outweigh it's cons the other half of time if your goal is driving a high performance sports car to begin with.

Some of us do track, some of us do actually drive our cars outside of a highway. If your argument is you can't use a car to near it's potential even in summer, then why are you driving a performance car in the first place? I find that argument even more hilarious.

I've been on these forums for 9 years, and every fucking time an m car gets brought up in an non-m thread, people get all jazzed up about and eventually it becomes a debate about rwd vs awd. Stop beating the dead horse and give it a break you guys. No opinion will get swayed, and just buy the car that YOU want, period.

[classyfast]

Originally Posted by Bahn360Photo

I didn?t say that paying 100k for m4 is worth while.

But you are being hypocritical, u say m4 is not worth 100k loaded but a 440 is worth 70k.

I am saying that for 70k m4 is way better car in every single aspect. I can even argue awd, I have snow tires which is better than awd and summer tires

No no, definitely not saying a 440 is worth anything close to 70k either!!! That?s a travesty as well!!

I get what you?re saying and agree with most of it, just made my point on pricing and the path of BMW!

[classyfast]

Originally Posted by 6ixSpd

Except that it?s not. LSD + winter tires can tackle any challenge winter throws at you in these developed parts...

It?s cool, people may prefer AWD but don?t blame the car, blame the drivers. Many people have been using RWD with winter tires for years, it?s perfect capable.

Even with Blizzaks and stock ride height on my e92 M3, I couldn?t get out of 6? of snow in my driveway here in Ct!!!

Lol, the people that say ?rwd has been used for years in the snow?, 2 things for you: ride height of today?s performance cars, and weight.