Best sealant to use after wax?

34dean · 08-21-2018, 08:23 AM

I have been going back and forth on ceramic coating my car and figured I would explore the other option of wax/sealant. Can anyone recommend a good sealant to apply?

Thank you!

sspade · 08-21-2018, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by 34dean

I have been going back and forth on ceramic coating my car and figured I would explore the other option of wax/sealant. Can anyone recommend a good sealant to apply?

Thank you!

Menzerna Power Lock

Originally recommend to me by Billfitz.

Stuff is awesome.

34dean · 08-21-2018, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by sspade

Menzerna Power Lock

Originally recommend to me by Billfitz.

Stuff is awesome.

Thanks, Spade. What do you use for wax?

Billfitz · 08-21-2018, 09:34 AM

I don't use wax, just Power Lock.

34dean · 08-21-2018, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Billfitz

I don't use wax, just Power Lock.

Interesting. So wash, dry and then just power lock? Anything after it?

sspade · 08-21-2018, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by 34dean

Thanks, Spade. What do you use for wax?

Same as Billfitz, no more wax for me.

vanbmw · 08-21-2018, 11:35 AM

I have read wax after sealant will add depth to shine. I use menzerna power lock also and have tried following it up with wax. I really didn't notice an improvement. The sealant left a great finish and I don't think the wax is worth the effort.

Solidjake · 08-22-2018, 09:03 PM

I use this. Super slick, insane beading. Easy to apply and remove

https://www.amazon.com/Jescar-Power-...powerlock+plus

John in VA · 08-22-2018, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Solidjake

I use this. Super slick, insane beading. Easy to apply and remove.
https://www.amazon.com/Jescar-Power-...powerlock+plus

Menzerna Power Lock = Jescar Power Lock.
Developed by Jescar, and formerly known as Menzerna Power Lock, Jescar Power Lock is the same product you know and love - just a different name!
https://www.autogeek.net/menzerna-po...k-sealant.html

Topping with a wax can add some gloss & depth, and possibly add longevity. It should be no effort to add a coat or two of wax - if it is you're using too much product!

Solidjake · 08-22-2018, 11:09 PM

Ahhhh ok. Cool

John in VA

finalfantasyfan · 08-22-2018, 11:13 PM

I am also using Powerlock!

RAK92 · 08-23-2018, 04:52 AM

I read the thread title and have to say that it is backwards. If you are using a sealant then that should go over the clean paint (clay bar, polish). If you want to use a wax, then the wax would go over the sealant. Sealants need to bond with the paint. You won’t get that good bonding if you try and apply a sealant over wax.

mbanks21 · 08-23-2018, 07:20 AM

I was just going to say that, wax is the last step. You shouldn't put anything over wax. You wax over a sealant.

Billfitz · 08-23-2018, 07:45 AM

I haven't tested it, but I would think that the same no-stick properties of Power Lock that keep the car cleaner and cause water to bead up would also keep wax from adhering to it. I haven't tested it because Power Lock over paint works much better than wax over paint ever did, so I have no reason to think that wax over Power Lock would make a difference even if the wax did adhere.

Tribalpinoy911 · 08-23-2018, 07:51 AM

Pretty sure its sealant and then wax. C'mon guys

34dean · 08-23-2018, 09:03 AM

You guys are right. I wrote the title wrong and realized it but couldn't edit it. Should have been "Best sealant to use before wax". And yes, i realize some don't believe in wax as a top coat to give more shine. I do though.

RAK92 · 08-24-2018, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by 34dean

You guys are right. I wrote the title wrong and realized it but couldn't edit it. Should have been "Best sealant to use before wax". And yes, i realize some don't believe in wax as a top coat to give more shine. I do though.

That’s what I figured...just a typo. I do put a coat of wax over my sealant. Not sure if it really helps in the long run, but I do notice that my car maintains it’s super slickness for quite awhile. It is key, though, to ensure you use a wax that contains no abrasives as you don’t want to remove any of the sealant.

Billfitz · 08-24-2018, 08:21 AM

With Power Lock and no wax it stays super slick for at least six months. I suppose the only way to know for sure if the wax is beneficial is to leave one section of the car, say a door, without wax and see what happens.

Broadsword · 08-25-2018, 09:43 AM

I top Power Lock with a wax. I personally use Collinite 845. Topping the sealant with wax helps with longevity of the sealant. The wax serves as the sacrificial layer. Larry Kosilla of AmmoNYC has a great video about layering protection.

hoyas490 · 08-25-2018, 09:57 PM

So I just spent a bunch of time detailing today and used the Sonax spray & shine sealant at the end.

Pressure washed, sprayed CarPro IronX, rinsed, foam cannon, rinsed, clay bar, rinse, Sonax Spray & Seal, rinse then dry with a water blade + microfiber towel and a mini air blaster (motorcycle one) for the trim.

Think it came out great, but will see in a week or so in NY with bird shit everywhere how it holds up!

Solidjake · 08-29-2018, 05:35 PM

hoyas490 Car looks very very clean. Try not to use the water blades. If you pick up any little rock or piece of dirt you will slide it along the paint and scratch it. I only use those blades to wipe off glass.

Get some high quality microfiber towels and use AMMO HYDRATE. Trust me, it's the best way of drying the car. You get the towel damp, spray the product onto the towel and wipe across. It dries and hydrates the paint.

https://www.ammonyc.com/shop/ammo-hydrate/

Skip to 2:00 (you do NOT need to soak the towel like that. Just put it on the hood or trunk and dab the towel a few times to get water into it)

bheng89 · 08-30-2018, 12:35 AM

I use chemical guys jetseal. then follow up with meguiars x-press spray wax

08-21-2018, 08:23 AM	#1
34dean Lieutenant 88 Rep 409 Posts Drives: 2015 335i X-drive M Sport Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: CT iTrader: (1)	Best sealant to use after wax? I have been going back and forth on ceramic coating my car and figured I would explore the other option of wax/sealant. Can anyone recommend a good sealant to apply? Thank you! __________________ 2015 335i X-drive, Black Sapphire Metallic, M Sport package LOADED. MPE/VRSF Charge Pipe/BM3 Stage 1 93 Octane
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vanbmw Major 130 Rep 1,101 Posts Drives: 2015 Black 335i Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Vancouver iTrader: (0)	I have read wax after sealant will add depth to shine. I use menzerna power lock also and have tried following it up with wax. I really didn't notice an improvement. The sealant left a great finish and I don't think the wax is worth the effort.
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Solidjake ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 945 Rep 1,762 Posts Drives: '13 328i Msport 6MT Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: NYC/SNJ iTrader: (2)	Ahhhh ok. Cool John in VA __________________ Tensioner/belt DIY \| Side skirt extension DIY Apex SM-10/DWS06+ \| 400m/X-ice Xi3 \| Injen Exhaust \| Stoptech SS Lines \| 335 Front Brakes Hawk HPS 5.0 \| RBF600 \| ER Charge Pipes \| Wagner Evo Comp 2 FMIC
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RAK92 First Lieutenant 118 Rep 303 Posts Drives: 2016 435i Coupe M Sport Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Chesapeake, VA iTrader: (0)	I read the thread title and have to say that it is backwards. If you are using a sealant then that should go over the clean paint (clay bar, polish). If you want to use a wax, then the wax would go over the sealant. Sealants need to bond with the paint. You won’t get that good bonding if you try and apply a sealant over wax.
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mbanks21 Colonel 1268 Rep 2,957 Posts Drives: 2015 335i MSport Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: High Bridge, NJ iTrader: (8)	I was just going to say that, wax is the last step. You shouldn't put anything over wax. You wax over a sealant. __________________ 2015 335i Msport/6 JB4/EWG/E30/VRSF DP/ER CP/ VRSF Race Exhaust/ Injen Intake/Verde Axis 19x8.5/9.5 245/35/275/30 Conti Extreme CS/ H&R Sports / Motorsport Hardware Stud Conversion
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08-23-2018, 07:45 AM	#14
Billfitz Lieutenant General 8243 Rep 16,079 Posts Drives: '15 328iX GT Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: New Hampshire iTrader: (0)	I haven't tested it, but I would think that the same no-stick properties of Power Lock that keep the car cleaner and cause water to bead up would also keep wax from adhering to it. I haven't tested it because Power Lock over paint works much better than wax over paint ever did, so I have no reason to think that wax over Power Lock would make a difference even if the wax did adhere.
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08-23-2018, 07:51 AM	#15
Tribalpinoy911 First Lieutenant 93 Rep 397 Posts Drives: F34 Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: NV iTrader: (0)	Pretty sure its sealant and then wax. C'mon guys
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34dean Lieutenant 88 Rep 409 Posts Drives: 2015 335i X-drive M Sport Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: CT iTrader: (1)	You guys are right. I wrote the title wrong and realized it but couldn't edit it. Should have been "Best sealant to use before wax". And yes, i realize some don't believe in wax as a top coat to give more shine. I do though. __________________ 2015 335i X-drive, Black Sapphire Metallic, M Sport package LOADED. MPE/VRSF Charge Pipe/BM3 Stage 1 93 Octane
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Billfitz Lieutenant General 8243 Rep 16,079 Posts Drives: '15 328iX GT Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: New Hampshire iTrader: (0)	With Power Lock and no wax it stays super slick for at least six months. I suppose the only way to know for sure if the wax is beneficial is to leave one section of the car, say a door, without wax and see what happens.
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08-25-2018, 09:43 AM	#19
Broadsword Sustinendum Victoriam 80 Rep 349 Posts Drives: '13 335i Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Texas iTrader: (2)	I top Power Lock with a wax. I personally use Collinite 845. Topping the sealant with wax helps with longevity of the sealant. The wax serves as the sacrificial layer. Larry Kosilla of AmmoNYC has a great video about layering protection.
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08-25-2018, 09:57 PM	#20
hoyas490 First Lieutenant 132 Rep 363 Posts Drives: '21 M550i Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: NYC / Long Island iTrader: (1)	So I just spent a bunch of time detailing today and used the Sonax spray & shine sealant at the end. Pressure washed, sprayed CarPro IronX, rinsed, foam cannon, rinsed, clay bar, rinse, Sonax Spray & Seal, rinse then dry with a water blade + microfiber towel and a mini air blaster (motorcycle one) for the trim. Think it came out great, but will see in a week or so in NY with bird shit everywhere how it holds up! Attached Images
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Solidjake ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 945 Rep 1,762 Posts Drives: '13 328i Msport 6MT Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: NYC/SNJ iTrader: (2)	hoyas490 Car looks very very clean. Try not to use the water blades. If you pick up any little rock or piece of dirt you will slide it along the paint and scratch it. I only use those blades to wipe off glass. Get some high quality microfiber towels and use AMMO HYDRATE. Trust me, it's the best way of drying the car. You get the towel damp, spray the product onto the towel and wipe across. It dries and hydrates the paint. https://www.ammonyc.com/shop/ammo-hydrate/ Skip to 2:00 (you do NOT need to soak the towel like that. Just put it on the hood or trunk and dab the towel a few times to get water into it) __________________ Tensioner/belt DIY \| Side skirt extension DIY Apex SM-10/DWS06+ \| 400m/X-ice Xi3 \| Injen Exhaust \| Stoptech SS Lines \| 335 Front Brakes Hawk HPS 5.0 \| RBF600 \| ER Charge Pipes \| Wagner Evo Comp 2 FMIC
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