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Originally Posted by 94JZA80

no...that's just ignorance



wow, your view is skewed. the 911 is the purest sports car of the three. and the GTR may be a GT car, but its far closer to a sports car in the purest sense than the M3 is. the M3 isn't even a sports car - its a "sporty" car...its a sport luxury coupe/sedan. and why would anyone willing to pay a premium for the GTR be remotely interested in the boat-on-wheels that is the M5? let me guess, you think the M5 is more of a sports car than the GTR, right?


its this kind of narrow-mindedness that prevents you from appreciating other makes and models for what they are and the purpose for which they were built. luxury isn't the only thing that makes cars expensive - performance does too. and the GTR has a hell of alot more performance than the new M3, hence its price tag. in fact, the price makes perfect sense if you can get away from the fanboy/brand-biased mentality and look past the fact that its wearing a Nissan badge.

+1, +1, and another +1. Thankyou.

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Originally Posted by 94JZA80

-1

...the CLK63 AMG Black Seires is cool as hell, but if you're looking to get the most performance for your dollar, there are wiser choices for $100k. again, someone willing to pay the premium on a GTR is looking for a $100k hardcore sports car, not a $100k glorified "sporty" luxury coupe. such a person would be more likely to step into a C6 Z06, 997 Turbo, 997 GT3/GT3RS, etc. than the CLK63 AMG Black series, assuming the GTR isn't the first $100k sports car on his or her list in the first place. they are thus sacrificing luxury for performance. you guys, on the other hand, are NOT willing to forgo the luxuries, and you ARE willing to sacrifice a bit of the performance - hence your preference of the CLK63 AMG Black over the GTR. and thus, you guys are very different customers than those shopping for GTR's.

i suppose both the CLK DTM AMG and the McLaren SLR would both be good examples of Mercedes Benz's that could compete performance-wise, but neither come close to the $100k price range we're currently discussing - they're far more expensive.

Actually, from what I've read, the CLK63BS is quite the hardcore track runner. I mean consider this: a fully adjustable race suspension, deleted rear seats, bucket seats, etc etc. It's a pretty hardcore car according to the journalists out there. I think it'd be fair to compare its level of sporty nature to that of the 997 turbo, although that isn't the sportiest 911 there is.

[94JZA80]

Originally Posted by Bimmer Loyalist

Actually, from what I've read, the CLK63BS is quite the hardcore track runner. I mean consider this: a fully adjustable race suspension, deleted rear seats, bucket seats, etc etc. It's a pretty hardcore car according to the journalists out there. I think it'd be fair to compare its level of sporty nature to that of the 997 turbo, although that isn't the sportiest 911 there is.

yes, it would be fair to compare it to a 997TT considering the leaps and bounds MB has made with the CLK63BS (not that they hadn't achieved those things already with the CLK DTM AMG, but this time they were able to cram it into a package that sells for quite a bit less than $300k). my only qualm is the fact that the CLK63BS went through extensive weight reduction (its over 200-lbs lighter than the standard CLK63), and yet its still a 3900-lb porker. that right there is enough for me to look for an alternative "sports car." perhaps it deserves more credit than i gave it in my previous post. but i still maintain that someone who has to settle for something other than a GTR (for whatever reasons) is most likely to settle on another car that's also highly focused on pure performance, rather than something that is a performance/luxury mix.

[a burrito]

i feel its the styling more than anything. a ferrari can look good 3-5-7 years from now but a nissan equivelant to its performance will look outdated in 2 years. thats probably the biggest difference IMO

[san~man]

Sounds like the OP is "the blob's" alter screen name lol. Remember him, saying he could lap the 'ring in under 10 minutes with a stock 3 on his first try haha.

[SDTopless]

This should be the Nissan GTR slogan:

"You're not paying for the badge, you're paying for the damn car."

[LAbeemer]

Originally Posted by ganeil

So now the Renault F1 championships belong to Nissan? Why, because Renault bailed them out a few years ago? If you want (for reasons known only to you) to credit Nissan for the Renault championships then what about the McLaren-TAG/Porsche constructor championships in 84 and 85 and the drivers championships in 84 (Lauda), 85, and 86 (Prost)? Best as I can tell, Nissan has one Le Mans class victory while Porsche has 16.

You are simply making yourself look foolish trying to compare the racing tradition of Porsche with Nissan.

The GT-R is a fast car. It is still a Nissan and I would never pay $75K+ for a Nissan. If you wish to, have a blast.

your absolutely right Porsche has probably won more races but Nissan HAS won and raced in all different facets of racing. So its not just a slack jaw one hit wonder it has a rich racing history and still races. Porsche hasn't been in F1 since its HUGE failure in 1991 (Footwork car) when they couldn't even score a single point. I'm not saying Nissan is better, rich history isn't always winning everything. When I think of rich history I think of diversity, years competing, setting milestones, developing new technology, pushing forward and leading the industry, and yes competitive records. As far as the Renault's New F1 team after they bought the Benetton car being all NISSAN i got it from there teams sight and I got the quote from simply googleing Nissan F1, it was the first link for a racing news site. Yes Renault bought 44 % of Nissan while Nissan bought 10% of Renault. that year Nissan's gross earnings were only slightly less than Renault, so i don't see how they bailed them out. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt on this one and researched if there was merit to your comment but I could not find anything proving this to be true.

[chuck92103]

Nissan GTR, its fast, looks like an SUV and gets SUV gas mileage.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-c...based-suv.html

[chuck92103]

It might look better as an SUV.

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Originally Posted by chuck92103

It might look better as an SUV.

1) lol

2) holy postive camber batman. that thing would be eating away at the edge of its tires in real life.

[ganeil]

Originally Posted by LAbeemer

your absolutely right Porsche has probably won more races but Nissan HAS won and raced in all different facets of racing. So its not just a slack jaw one hit wonder it has a rich racing history and still races. Porsche hasn't been in F1 since its HUGE failure in 1991 (Footwork car) when they couldn't even score a single point. I'm not saying Nissan is better, rich history isn't always winning everything. When I think of rich history I think of diversity, years competing, setting milestones, developing new technology, pushing forward and leading the industry, and yes competitive records. As far as the Renault's New F1 team after they bought the Benetton car being all NISSAN i got it from there teams sight and I got the quote from simply googleing Nissan F1, it was the first link for a racing news site. Yes Renault bought 44 % of Nissan while Nissan bought 10% of Renault. that year Nissan's gross earnings were only slightly less than Renault, so i don't see how they bailed them out. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt on this one and researched if there was merit to your comment but I could not find anything proving this to be true.

Try this article.

Nissan has been forced to look for a partner after falling into deep financial trouble.

It is struggling to survive under a $24bn debt mountain, soaring losses and a plunging share price.

[94JZA80]

Originally Posted by chuck92103

Nissan GTR, its fast, looks like an SUV and gets SUV gas mileage.

well honestly, what sports cars did you expect to get better gas mileage than the average SUV? i mean, unless you drive your sports car like a panzy all day everyday, its not going to get great mileage. that's what sports cars do - they burn through gas like nobody's business when they're being driven like they're supposed to be driven...not to mention that gas mileage is near the bottom of the list of priorities when designing a sports car. bottom line is that i don't think any one is going to be shocked that the new GTR's 3.8L twin turbo V8 gets "SUV-like" gas mileage...and i don't think current OR potential GTR owners are going to care much about gas mileage either.

[asian010]

the op should watch the real drift king go around the ring in a 86 corolla.

[1SLoE92]

that poor OP should have never even said a word....

[koreez88]

"Now i'll show ya!"
<3 BRAWL

[smmmurf]

Originally Posted by Sonic the Hedgehog

Doesn't anyone else feel like the words Japanese and sports car put together are just an oxymoron. Even if it is a steal at 75k wouldn't you rather have a real sports car like a 911 or m3. And with the car going for 25k over msrp just get an m5 or something like that

I dunno if I'm alone but I just don't understand. It's got a nissan symbol on it

The car will smoke an M3 and compete head to head with a 997TT (and has proven faster in some cases). It's not my cup of tea but it's an engineering marvel. How can it not be worth $75k?

Japanese manufacturers are capable of producing some extremely good sports cars. The S2000 is a much more focused car than the M3. It isn't as refined or as versatile. Also, the Miata basically reinvented the small sports car segment as another poster mentioned. Each generation since '90 has been successively better than the last. The Evo and STi have a huge following due to their extreme success in rallying. Have you driven any of these fantastic Japanese cars? The GT-R is the pinnacle of Japanese sports car engineering at this point.

It comes down to preference. I like BMW's, but compared to the GT-R, I realize I'm getting a slower and less focused car for the money. To each his own. The more competition BMW has, the more motivation they'll have to improve their cars.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by 1SLoE92

that poor OP should have never even said a word....

What is weird is he has a new thread asking if he should get an IS-F.

[SpecC]

so question for all the BMW badge whores then...

what BMW car currently competes with 911's and other supercars?

M6? that thing is a fatty.

The GT-R is built to be fast. It wasn't built so much on "what a consumer would want." Its purpose was to destroy its European rival(s). Yes, the car is blazing fast. How do you people argue with lap times though? If the new M3 CSL beats the 997TT on the 'ring, we'd see a billion threads saying "ZOMG BMW IS JAWESOME. IT WIPED THE NURBURGRING CLEAN IN AN M3. I LUFFS M3 4EVER"

Frankly, you don't buy a car for the badge, you buy it for what it does. If you want to be fast, get the GT-R. If you want to be moderately fast (when you compare it to the GT-R...) with some luxury parts, get the M3.

Now to the OP, the real question is are YOU serious? Have you been paying attention to any major motorsport? Subaru and Mitsubishi took over WRC for quite some time. GT-Rs were running circles around Germans. F1 has two Japanese teams competing. If anything, Japanese sports cars are more legit than the sport luxuries that Germany makes.

[!Xoible]

why is this retarded thread still active? kill it

[Crimson92]

Originally Posted by ganeil

Try this article.

Nissan has been forced to look for a partner after falling into deep financial trouble.

It is struggling to survive under a $24bn debt mountain, soaring losses and a plunging share price.

this was a very long time ago, carlos ghosn has turned that company around ,a full 180 if you will...nissan today is doing better than ever

[Crimson92]

people hate

1) what they dont understand
2) what they cant have

stupid badge whores

[SpecC]

Originally Posted by Crimson92

people hate

1) what they dont understand
2) what they cant have

stupid badge whores

in that case i really hate the GT-R. like to the point where i have trouble sleeping at night ahhaahhaha