BYE BYE 335i....welcome the Cat

BlackLemon · 12-22-2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by RUS0628

Bro if you lower your car its going to look 10000000x better.

Its a 100k luxury car...why would i lower it?

BlackLemon · 12-22-2009, 10:37 AM

I know alot of you had raved about poor quality and reliability with the New XF-R. So being an owner of the jag and an 8 month old X5 4.8 ill do a little comparison.

http://www.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=306153

Exterior styling...ones an SUV, ones a car. Cant really compare that

Interior quality....Jag Hands down, Looks hand made, Leather stitched dash and doors, seats are a softer leather with thicker stitching. just feels more luxury then my X5

Nav... X5 is quicker and easier to use (though i have only put 900 or so kms on my Jag)

Heated seats...X5 heats up alot quicker and has rear heated seats, Jag does not

Heated steering wheel... Jags gets alot warmer then the X5

Cooled seats. Not offered in the X5, Jag is standard

Overall driving (dry roads) Jag is alot smoother, alot quieter...power steering is soo much better

Overall driving (snow) its a given X5 with Xdrive

Rear view camera.. Both have this opion, BMW's computer is soo slo, sometimes i have backed up already before it comes on, Jags in amost instant. I also hate how i have to click accept evrytime i get in the truck.

Blind spot monitor...Not offered by bmw, Jag standard

Sound/CD...Both comparable

Comfort..Seats in the Jag are alot more comfortable.

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Dis-likes

X5...
-Have alot of rattes and creaks, which is not caused by my own personal belongings
-Computer is soooo slow. Sometimes lags when iam entering an address in the Nav options.
-Bluetooth is hit and miss (could be my blackberry) who knows

X5 service history (8 month old, bought new) 13,000km's
-new drivers side mirror (made noise at 100km's)
-dash was pulled apart to fix a clicking noise
-Breaks squeek (dealer says nothing they can do)
-Back up camera failed to engage
-Heater belt making odd noise (still has not been fixxed)

Jag dis-likes

-heated seats take twice as long to heat (then x5)
-no heated seats in rear
-Address cannot be set in Nav without car being stopped.
-drivers side window had an auto down...but not auto up

Service history. 900kms

No complaints yet.

I think reliability with be close with both car. As stated before, when my bmw needs service there is usually a long long wait, specially if you require a loaner car. (month and a half) With Jag I can Call and have the car in with in the week, with a loaner car.

Iam quite happy with both the x5 and the Jaguar. I think alot of the stigma comes from past generation of Jag. Look at Audi before the A4, how was reliablility prior to them re-vamping their product line?

dr.jay · 12-22-2009, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackLemon

I know alot of you had raved about poor quality and reliability with the New XF-R. So being an owner of the jag and an 8 month old X5 4.8 ill do a little comparison.

http://www.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=306153

Exterior styling...ones an SUV, ones a car. Cant really compare that

Interior quality....Jag Hands down, Looks hand made, Leather stitched dash and doors, seats are a softer leather with thicker stitching. just feels more luxury then my X5

Nav... X5 is quicker and easier to use (though i have only put 900 or so kms on my Jag)

Heated seats...X5 heats up alot quicker and has rear heated seats, Jag does not

Heated steering wheel... Jags gets alot warmer then the X5

Cooled seats. Not offered in the X5, Jag is standard

Overall driving (dry roads) Jag is alot smoother, alot quieter...power steering is soo much better

Overall driving (snow) its a given X5 with Xdrive

Rear view camera.. Both have this opion, BMW's computer is soo slo, sometimes i have backed up already before it comes on, Jags in amost instant. I also hate how i have to click accept evrytime i get in the truck.

Blind spot monitor...Not offered by bmw, Jag standard

Sound/CD...Both comparable

Comfort..Seats in the Jag are alot more comfortable.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dis-likes

X5...
-Have alot of rattes and creaks, which is not caused by my own personal belongings
-Computer is soooo slow. Sometimes lags when iam entering an address in the Nav options.
-Bluetooth is hit and miss (could be my blackberry) who knows

X5 service history (8 month old, bought new) 13,000km's
-new drivers side mirror (made noise at 100km's)
-dash was pulled apart to fix a clicking noise
-Breaks squeek (dealer says nothing they can do)
-Back up camera failed to engage
-Heater belt making odd noise (still has not been fixxed)

Jag dis-likes

-heated seats take twice as long to heat (then x5)
-no heated seats in rear
-Address cannot be set in Nav without car being stopped.
-drivers side window had an auto down...but not auto up

Service history. 900kms

No complaints yet.

I think reliability with be close with both car. As stated before, when my bmw needs service there is usually a long long wait, specially if you require a loaner car. (month and a half) With Jag I can Call and have the car in with in the week, with a loaner car.

Iam quite happy with both the x5 and the Jaguar. I think alot of the stigma comes from past generation of Jag. Look at Audi before the A4, how was reliablility prior to them re-vamping their product line?

What fucking dealer do you go to? I call for service, get an appointment and have a BMW loaner waiting for me the next day, a month and a half is outlandish

Muffnbluff · 12-22-2009, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackLemon

Its a 100k luxury car...why would i lower it?

I couldn't agree with you more.

I don't even understand the appeal of slapping on coilovers to a BMW, there are cheaper ways to make a race car.

BTW...I fucking love the new 'R' Jags. I have two neighbors in my townhouse unit who both have a XK-R, one a coupe, other a vert.

BlackLemon · 12-22-2009, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by dr.jay

What fucking dealer do you go to? I call for service, get an appointment and have a BMW loaner waiting for me the next day, a month and a half is outlandish

Give them a call. Tell them you need a service, and you need a loaner car.
Garentee they are booking late late Jan, early Feb

Calgary BMW
403-253-0338

stickypaws · 12-22-2009, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackLemon

Its a 100k luxury car...why would i lower it?

+1 It's not a ghetto car.....

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackLemon

Jag dis-likes

-heated seats take twice as long to heat (then x5)
-no heated seats in rear
-Address cannot be set in Nav without car being stopped.
-drivers side window had an auto down...but not auto up

This is so lame. The new W212 MB is the same.

Do you have a good VC system that allows input while driving, or is there simply no address input while driving at all?

From what I understand it's something that's been done to North American exports only and not in ROW models.(?)

What if you're on the freeway and can't stop and you have a passenger acting as co-pilot. They should at least be able to input addresses! It's totally ridiculous, imho.

This would be a deal breaker for me. But if it's true that ROW models do allow input while in motion, then there's gotta be a software work around somehow....

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackLemon

Iam quite happy with both the x5 and the Jaguar. I think alot of the stigma comes from past generation of Jag. Look at Audi before the A4, how was reliablility prior to them re-vamping their product line?

As I mentioned in my previous post, TATA has a lot banking on the success of Jag and I think they are concentrating on build quality and reliability. It's too early yet, but I think they'll succeed as long as the economy doesn't dictate more short cuts in production, etc..

BlackLemon · 12-22-2009, 04:02 PM

^^^ Ill have to read up more on the Nav. Ive only used it about 3 times. Ill keep you posted, there has o be a way to input an adress while on the freeway.

footie · 12-22-2009, 04:23 PM

I too haven't used the Satnav much, much prefer my John Joe Satnav (check YouTube it's worth it

).

A bit surprised you didn't comment more on the stereo, the brother has the professional hifi system in the X6 and it's not close to the quality of the B&W in the Jag. Also I agree on the heated seats, takes the best part of 4 mind before you really notice the heat.

+1 on both camera system, mine too is instant and quite often the brother has parked before it comes on.

stickypaws · 12-22-2009, 04:29 PM

Blacklemon, I'm sure it's no longer input while driving in the NA models. That's the trend. My 2009 still allows input manually and with VC, but not the new 2010 model. Americans and Canadians are either too stupid, too litigious, or both, to have this feature anymore. The ROW model of my E63 allows DVDs to be played while driving. In mine (USA version) I have to be parked to watch a movie. No fun for the front seat passenger on a long drive....

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Originally Posted by BlackLemon

Jag dis-likes

-drivers side window had an auto down...but not auto up

p.s., no auto up is a safety feature on just about all cars.

stickypaws · 12-22-2009, 04:42 PM

Footie, having this guy in the front seat with you is even better than the John Joe

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lesha · 12-22-2009, 09:48 PM

so funny reading threads such as these, there are haters for every type/brand of car
but, long story short is that people are going to get cars they personally like

bmw's reliability is shit compared to some Japanese cars, but people still get them (including myself) because the test drive alone blows a Japanese car out of the water

CPI · 12-22-2009, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackLemon

Give them a call. Tell them you need a service, and you need a loaner car.
Garentee they are booking late late Jan, early Feb

Calgary BMW
403-253-0338

Very true!

It takes a month to book it in for scheduled maintenance or for any sort of service in Calgary.

wheeladdicts · 12-22-2009, 10:24 PM

lets get some new wheels on there

the interior is very nice!

TK-421 · 12-22-2009, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackLemon

Give them a call. Tell them you need a service, and you need a loaner car.
Garentee they are booking late late Jan, early Feb

Calgary BMW
403-253-0338

That sucks. I've had to take my E90 for scheduled service and a few other things and I've never waited more than 3 days to get my car worked on. I guess it's the luck of the draw when it comes to dealers.

dirtyylicous · 12-22-2009, 11:17 PM

Nice!!! I just seen one in person today and I must say it looks 20 times better in person than in pics. Congrats!

Bluechipper · 12-23-2009, 01:12 AM

It is still disappointing they didn't use the aggressive headlights from the pre-production XF.

The american styled headlights just kill the front end. Looks ordinary.

The rear on the other hand, looks amazing.

footie · 12-23-2009, 04:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickypaws

Footie, having this guy in the front seat with you is even better than the John Joe

It didn't appear to show in your post so I did again for the rest to see.

http://www.youtube.com/v/LihYqP_Fs00&hl=en_US&fs=1

adrian1480 · 12-23-2009, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 320what

Craig, you can't look back at previous jags and judge this generation by the same yardstick.

that's interesting, considering this forum bashes any and everything made by GM, Ford or Chrysler for the same reason.

sad, huh.

adrian1480 · 12-23-2009, 06:44 PM

I saw one of these inside a mall down in Boca Raton, FL.

beautiful car inside and out. well done.

veightkiller · 12-24-2009, 10:44 AM

Not a big fan of jags but congrats on your new ride!

keanu1 · 12-24-2009, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by memphis2012

congrats on the ford mondeo...

That's what i said!! It looks like a mondeo!! i like the old jag design!!

ChrisV · 12-28-2009, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by keanu1

That's what i said!! It looks like a mondeo!! i like the old jag design!!

Not seeing it. The only thing the same is 4 wheels and 4 doors...

12-22-2009, 10:37 AM	#68
BlackLemon Lieutenant 37 Rep 401 Posts Drives: 13-750i, 15-Hurc., 14 X5 50i Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Canada iTrader: (0)	I know alot of you had raved about poor quality and reliability with the New XF-R. So being an owner of the jag and an 8 month old X5 4.8 ill do a little comparison. http://www.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=306153 Exterior styling...ones an SUV, ones a car. Cant really compare that Interior quality....Jag Hands down, Looks hand made, Leather stitched dash and doors, seats are a softer leather with thicker stitching. just feels more luxury then my X5 Nav... X5 is quicker and easier to use (though i have only put 900 or so kms on my Jag) Heated seats...X5 heats up alot quicker and has rear heated seats, Jag does not Heated steering wheel... Jags gets alot warmer then the X5 Cooled seats. Not offered in the X5, Jag is standard Overall driving (dry roads) Jag is alot smoother, alot quieter...power steering is soo much better Overall driving (snow) its a given X5 with Xdrive Rear view camera.. Both have this opion, BMW's computer is soo slo, sometimes i have backed up already before it comes on, Jags in amost instant. I also hate how i have to click accept evrytime i get in the truck. Blind spot monitor...Not offered by bmw, Jag standard Sound/CD...Both comparable Comfort..Seats in the Jag are alot more comfortable. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dis-likes X5... -Have alot of rattes and creaks, which is not caused by my own personal belongings -Computer is soooo slow. Sometimes lags when iam entering an address in the Nav options. -Bluetooth is hit and miss (could be my blackberry) who knows X5 service history (8 month old, bought new) 13,000km's -new drivers side mirror (made noise at 100km's) -dash was pulled apart to fix a clicking noise -Breaks squeek (dealer says nothing they can do) -Back up camera failed to engage -Heater belt making odd noise (still has not been fixxed) Jag dis-likes -heated seats take twice as long to heat (then x5) -no heated seats in rear -Address cannot be set in Nav without car being stopped. -drivers side window had an auto down...but not auto up Service history. 900kms No complaints yet. I think reliability with be close with both car. As stated before, when my bmw needs service there is usually a long long wait, specially if you require a loaner car. (month and a half) With Jag I can Call and have the car in with in the week, with a loaner car. Iam quite happy with both the x5 and the Jaguar. I think alot of the stigma comes from past generation of Jag. Look at Audi before the A4, how was reliablility prior to them re-vamping their product line?
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BlackLemon Lieutenant 37 Rep 401 Posts Drives: 13-750i, 15-Hurc., 14 X5 50i Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Canada iTrader: (0)	^^^ Ill have to read up more on the Nav. Ive only used it about 3 times. Ill keep you posted, there has o be a way to input an adress while on the freeway.
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12-22-2009, 04:23 PM	#74
footie Major General 1109 Rep 8,013 Posts Drives: i5M60 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: No where fast iTrader: (0) Garage List 2024 BMW i5M60 [0.00] 2022 BMW i4M50 [0.00] 2020 BMW M5 Competi ... [0.00] 2008 E92 M3 [0.00]	I too haven't used the Satnav much, much prefer my John Joe Satnav (check YouTube it's worth it ). A bit surprised you didn't comment more on the stereo, the brother has the professional hifi system in the X6 and it's not close to the quality of the B&W in the Jag. Also I agree on the heated seats, takes the best part of 4 mind before you really notice the heat. +1 on both camera system, mine too is instant and quite often the brother has parked before it comes on.
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stickypaws Dictator 55 Rep 1,811 Posts Drives: people crazy Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: where you want to be iTrader: (0)	Footie, having this guy in the front seat with you is even better than the John Joe [u2b]<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/LihYqP_Fs00&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/LihYqP_Fs00&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>[/u2b]
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lesha Lieutenant 79 Rep 399 Posts Drives: 2009 - 335 coupe Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Alexandria, VA iTrader: (1)	so funny reading threads such as these, there are haters for every type/brand of car but, long story short is that people are going to get cars they personally like bmw's reliability is shit compared to some Japanese cars, but people still get them (including myself) because the test drive alone blows a Japanese car out of the water
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wheeladdicts Brigadier General 229 Rep 3,173 Posts Drives: E90 M3 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: South Florida iTrader: (3)	lets get some new wheels on there the interior is very nice!
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dirtyylicous Swagger on a trillion 20 Rep 371 Posts Drives: IS300 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: CT iTrader: (0)	Nice!!! I just seen one in person today and I must say it looks 20 times better in person than in pics. Congrats!
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Bluechipper Banned 16 Rep 255 Posts Drives: 09 M3 Vert Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Chicago iTrader: (0)	It is still disappointing they didn't use the aggressive headlights from the pre-production XF. The american styled headlights just kill the front end. Looks ordinary. The rear on the other hand, looks amazing.
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12-24-2009, 10:44 AM	#86
veightkiller Brigadier General 61 Rep 4,150 Posts Drives: e90 335i Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Vancouver,B.C iTrader: (3)	Not a big fan of jags but congrats on your new ride!
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