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      08-14-2019, 11:23 AM   #23
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Great write-up, thanks Mike! Looking through your post, I noticed you recommended VRSF Sport for Stage 1 and VRSF HD for Stage 2. Looks like your offerings have changed since that post - I don't see Sport and actually see two different HDs (5" and 6.5").

I plan on going FBO (CP, FMIC, and catted DP) and running Stage 1 and eventually Stage 2. It's a daily commuter (stuck in stop-and-go traffic for the better part of my ~50 mi commute) and don't plan on tracking the car. I'm torn between the two VRSF HD models and the CSF. Which would you recommend for my needs?
The model names have changed since then. For a stage 2 application i recommend a 6 - 6.5" intercooler. CSF & VRSF 6.5" Competition are both really good options for your build
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Check out this intercooler: https://www.ebay.com/itm/142922468014
Pair it with this chargepipe: https://www.ebay.com/itm/372607247543

I have both and they fit together perfectly. I'll post a log tomorrow. Just installed the intercooler today. It's supposed to be a 1:1 of the $700+ wagner intercooler. People have tested it and said that it performs just about the same, but for only $220!
When you compare this to a Wagner, are you referring to the Performance (bar & plate) or the Competition (tube & fin)? Also, would there be any fitment issues if I wanted to pair this FMIC w/ a brandname CP, such as the CTS Turbo?
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I would like to see the data where people say the eBay knock off is the same as Wagner.
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The model names have changed since then. For a stage 2 application i recommend a 6 - 6.5" intercooler. CSF & VRSF 6.5" Competition are both really good options for your build
Thanks Mike! Considering the price difference between the two is over $100, is the CSF worth the premium over the VRSF 6.5" according to logs/data? Would love to know the differences between the two before I commit to one over the other.
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from what i've read wagner seems to be the best. I myself was looking into getting the new version of the vsrf intercooler but I ended up getting a killer deal on active autowerke intercooler and chargepipe combo so I went that route and it works great. careful with picking one that requires cutting of the bumper, I recall reading about a few of probly the larger ones that require it for fitment, unless you don't care of course. also get it in silver, some come in black as an option but will start to look like crap after a few thousand miles from rocks and debris.
Me too!! Awesome deal last month on the AA FMIC from Mike at X-HP. My installer said it was a breeze to put in also.
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Thanks Mike! Considering the price difference between the two is over $100, is the CSF worth the premium over the VRSF 6.5" according to logs/data? Would love to know the differences between the two before I commit to one over the other.
its best to read forum member reviews on both these intercoolers. Being a vendor of both im going to get in trouble no matter what i say

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Me too!! Awesome deal last month on the AA FMIC from Mike at X-HP. My installer said it was a breeze to put in also.
Congrats
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When you compare this to a Wagner, are you referring to the Performance (bar & plate) or the Competition (tube & fin)? Also, would there be any fitment issues if I wanted to pair this FMIC w/ a brandname CP, such as the CTS Turbo?
Tbh i'm not completely sure, i just remember a thread that somebody had posted, and they said this intercooler was made to the exact spec of a "$700+ wagner intercooler". It will fit with any chargepipe, even the stock. The manufacturer claims perfect fitment, and many others have had success with the installation.

Here's the thread I discovered it on: https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1298400
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Here's a log with the $220 intercooler:
https://datazap.me/u/alpinen55/log-1...og=0&data=7-14

First log I've ever taken in my life lol, not too sure if I did it right.. but still. Got down to temps as low as 109F
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When you compare this to a Wagner, are you referring to the Performance (bar & plate) or the Competition (tube & fin)? Also, would there be any fitment issues if I wanted to pair this FMIC w/ a brandname CP, such as the CTS Turbo?
I have the Evo 2 style ebay intercooler, I guess a newer version? And it fits perfectly with my cts charge pipe.

Got it from https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F192864099093
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Check out this intercooler: https://www.ebay.com/itm/142922468014
Pair it with this chargepipe: https://www.ebay.com/itm/372607247543

I have both and they fit together perfectly. I'll post a log tomorrow. Just installed the intercooler today. It's supposed to be a 1:1 of the $700+ wagner intercooler. People have tested it and said that it performs just about the same, but for only $220!
When you compare this to a Wagner, are you referring to the Performance (bar & plate) or the Competition (tube & fin)? Also, would there be any fitment issues if I wanted to pair this FMIC w/ a brandname CP, such as the CTS Turbo?
I think I can clear up some of the confusion on the Wagner naming conventions.

BAR & PLATE DESIGNS
Heavier, less costly, emphasis on higher rev driving such as track use
a) Wagner Performance EVO1
b) Wagner Performance EVO2

TUBE & FIN DESIGNS
Lighter, quicker flow, emphasis on less turbo lag from starts and in daily driving
c) Wagner Competition EVO1
d) Wagner Competition EVO2

All four Wagners install easily in the stock FMIC position with no cutting required

EVO2 is larger than EVO1,
EVO1 is larger than stock intercooler

Both EVO1's have exactly same dimensions

Both EVO2's have exactly same dimensions
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Running with A turner motorsports 6" stepped intercooler. Haven't had any problems with it.
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Here's a log with the $220 intercooler:
https://datazap.me/u/alpinen55/log-1...og=0&data=7-14

First log I've ever taken in my life lol, not too sure if I did it right.. but still. Got down to temps as low as 109F
Your IAT is very high and rises up past 120! But no that is not a proper log. Put the car in manual 4th gear with DSC fully off and shifter in M/S. Start at 2500rpms and hold it until 6800rpms.
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I'm new around here and just wanted to chime in. I installed the CTS turbo FMIC and CTS turbo charge pipe and so far I am happy with it. The fitment was like OEM.
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Your IAT is very high and rises up past 120! But no that is not a proper log. Put the car in manual 4th gear with DSC fully off and shifter in M/S. Start at 2500rpms and hold it until 6800rpms.
This was the first log I had ever taken, few days later I posted logs on the MHD thread.. here's a better one:
https://datazap.me/u/alpinen55/3rd-g...=0&data=3-7-14

It was about 100 degrees outside during both of these pulls.
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I think I can clear up some of the confusion on the Wagner naming conventions.

BAR & PLATE DESIGNS
Heavier, less costly, emphasis on higher rev driving such as track use
a) Wagner Performance EVO1
b) Wagner Performance EVO2

TUBE & FIN DESIGNS
Lighter, quicker flow, emphasis on less turbo lag from starts and in daily driving
c) Wagner Competition EVO1
d) Wagner Competition EVO2

All four Wagners install easily in the stock FMIC position with no cutting required

EVO2 is larger than EVO1,
EVO1 is larger than stock intercooler

Both EVO1's have exactly same dimensions

Both EVO2's have exactly same dimensions
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This was the first log I had ever taken, few days later I posted logs on the MHD thread.. here's a better one:
https://datazap.me/u/alpinen55/3rd-g...=0&data=3-7-14

It was about 100 degrees outside during both of these pulls.
Are you running the XHP tune by any chance?

Reason I ask is because your getting hitting the torque limiter

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Are you running the XPH tune by any chance?

Reason I ask is because your getting hitting the torque limiter
XHP not XPH
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Are you running the XHP tune by any chance?

Reason I ask is because your getting hitting the torque limiter
Nope just MHD Stage 2+
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Nope just MHD Stage 2+
Might want to check you logs and check the torque limiter 1,2,3 data
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