No sympathy for me

TouringPleb · 06-19-2018, 12:58 PM

Is it wrong I feel absolutely no sympathy for these people? Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't wish anyone to die that way.

But.. they were breaking the law. People say graffiti is art and not a crime. No, unless you have permission to do it, its criminal damage and the train companies spend millions cleaning it off trains and bridges.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-44534102

Maybe I'm just a heartless bastard.

Edit: title is meant to be no sympathy FROM me. Bloody predictive text and now won't let me change it.

shao_khan · 06-19-2018, 01:05 PM

I'm with you on that. I used to manage retail property for a high street chain and the annual cost for clean up was huge. It might be art, but if its not how you wanted your shop walls painted then its a huge inconvenience.

It is criminal, and if they hadnt have been there then they wouldnt have been hit, so if they'd been acting withint he law they'd have still been here today.

Shame anyone has to die, but thats the consequence of taking risks.

mikeoz · 06-19-2018, 01:34 PM

Hope the train driver was ok?

MashinBenzin · 06-19-2018, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by LobB

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Originally Posted by TouringPleb

Is it wrong I feel absolutely no sympathy for these people? Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't wish anyone to die that way.

But.. they were breaking the law. People say graffiti is art and not a crime. No, unless you have permission to do it, its criminal damage and the train companies spend millions cleaning it off trains and bridges.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-44534102

Maybe I'm just a heartless bastard.

Edit: title is meant to be no sympathy FROM me. Bloody predictive text and now won't let me change it.

No. It's excellent news. I wish the same death on all these graffiti parasites.

Saves hanging them.

Yep, it's criminal damage and stupidly dangerous. No sympathy.

dopper99 · 06-19-2018, 01:58 PM

TouringPleb you can change the title, certainly on the web version of the forum. Click Edit on your first post, then Go Advanced.

R0B · 06-19-2018, 02:21 PM

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Nobby Clark · 06-19-2018, 02:50 PM

It’s a very harsh penalty to pay for the crime and for all we know, the circumstance of the incident may be not be exactly what’s reported.
I certainly sympathise with the train driver. This will be with him for life.

However, this kind of thing is typical of the UK today. People just don’t give a f***. It is all about the likes and me, me, me. I’ve have a right etc.

People freeclimbing cranes and buildings. Taking drugs at festivals. Crossing railway tracks. The risks are perfectly apparent and entirely avoidable. But these idiots don’t care about their families and the people that have to mop it all up when it goes wrong.

Until the sentences for crime are a proper deterrent and the admistrantion of the justice process is swifter, things will only get worse.

teaston · 06-19-2018, 02:51 PM

I feel sympathy for their families, they’re possibly blameless but will no doubt take a very long time to get over this, if at all.

Wills2 · 06-19-2018, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by teaston

I feel sympathy for their families, they’re possibly blameless but will no doubt take a very long time to get over this, if at all.

Yep someone's son and there are probably 3 heart broken families out there, so I think the OP is a bit harsh TBH.

Stupid and reckless they were but have paid a very high price so no need to put the boot in as far as I'm concerned. people do much worse and get away with it scot free.

But I guess some jobs make you a bit, well like that....

mikeoz · 06-19-2018, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by LobB

When I'm voted into power, we'll be hanging all criminals from pickpockets upwards.

All Hail Kim Jong Lobb

TouringPleb · 06-19-2018, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Wills2

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Originally Posted by teaston

I feel sympathy for their families, they’re possibly blameless but will no doubt take a very long time to get over this, if at all.

Yep someone's son and there are probably 3 heart broken families out there, so I think the OP is a bit harsh TBH.

Stupid and reckless they were but have paid a very high price so no need to put the boot in as far as I'm concerned. people do much worse and get away with it scot free.

But I guess some jobs make you a bit, well like that....

I have every sympathy and compassion for the families. I've knocked on doors and told people possibly the worst thing they could hear.

Where I don't have sympathy is that apparently they came from decent backgrounds and were educated and they choose to throw that all away to leave their tag. They could have done anything with their talent and life but wasted it.

They gambled with their lives and lost.

tinytrevor · 06-19-2018, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by LobB

Except for peadophiles. Who will be crucified

Hope you also make an example of those who allowed peados to flourish for decades...

Derrymilk · 06-19-2018, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by LobB

When I'm voted into power, we'll be hanging all criminals from pickpockets upwards.

Upwards?? What other way would you hang them?

Basschism · 06-19-2018, 04:40 PM

I think it's bloody harsh to say they deserve to die for painting a wall.

I guess the OP and all those in agreement have never broken the law then. How nice to be whiter than white 😏

A crime is a crime, and personally I think 'most' graffiti is a total eyesore. But to say your happy they died for spraying a fecking wall is a bit shit IMO.

Derrymilk · 06-19-2018, 04:44 PM

.....by the balls?

MashinBenzin · 06-19-2018, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Basschism

I think it's bloody harsh to say they deserve to die for painting a wall.

I guess the OP and all those in agreement have never broken the law then. How nice to be whiter than white

A crime is a crime, and personally I think 'most' graffiti is a total eyesore. But to say your happy they died for spraying a fecking wall is a bit shit IMO.

There is a great deal of difference between 'deserve to die', which no-one said, 'happy they died' which no-one said and 'no sympathy ' which was actually said.

Sometimes one's actions lead to a bad outcome, sometimes to the ultimate penalty. That what they were doing was suicidally dangerous was obvious and their choice. That they were damaging property and breaking the law was also their choice. They have paid the price, but they should have seen it coming.

I feel sorry for the families and I have huge sympathy for the train driver and clean up crews, who will suffer a lifetime of horrendous memories due to the thoughtless actions of the graffiti artists.

People exposed to that kind of traumatic event could suffer greatly in later life and some people who have been through similar will have had breakdowns and suicidal thoughts of their own.

All of which is why I have no sympathy.

That they have destroyed their own lives is self-evident. The damage done to others through their selfish actions will only be known to those affected people in decades to come and will not in any way be newsworthy.

Kal101 · 06-19-2018, 05:13 PM

Bloody fools who risked everything and lost it all simply for bragging rights and a bit of street kudos.

Unfortunately those left behind have to pick up the pieces

(Make your own jokes on that one)

H4CK1NT05H · 06-19-2018, 05:28 PM

These are the type of people that will argue with u till there blue in the face but if it was their son/daughter. They would have a whole new story, outlook, and argument.

"No sympathy", Y'all disgust me
Op had it right at the end about being heartless bastard

Nobby Clark · 06-20-2018, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by H4CK1NT05H

These are the type of people that will argue with u till there blue in the face but if it was their son/daughter. They would have a whole new story, outlook, and argument.

"No sympathy", Y'all disgust me
Op had it right at the end about being heartless bastard

How about we just send them thoughts and prayers?

SkyJawa · 06-20-2018, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Basschism

I guess the OP and all those in agreement have never broken the law then. How nice to be whiter than white ��

You might find the OP is one of the ones that has to clear up this sort of idiocy

Wills2 · 06-20-2018, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TouringPleb

I have every sympathy and compassion for the families. I've knocked on doors and told people possibly the worst thing they could hear.

Where I don't have sympathy is that apparently they came from decent backgrounds and were educated and they choose to throw that all away to leave their tag. They could have done anything with their talent and life but wasted it.

They gambled with their lives and lost.

It's the public airing of your no sympathy that seems to me to be a bit off.

They weren't rapists/murders/war criminals/armed robbers they were young and foolish and paid the price, your post comes across as gloating and that's not a good look.

TouringPleb · 06-20-2018, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Basschism

I think it's bloody harsh to say they deserve to die for painting a wall.

I guess the OP and all those in agreement have never broken the law then. How nice to be whiter than white

A crime is a crime, and personally I think 'most' graffiti is a total eyesore. But to say your happy they died for spraying a fecking wall is a bit shit IMO.

At no point have I said they deserve to die and I certainly haven't said I'm happy they are dead.

My point is these are three educated young men who had it all and they have thrown it all away trying to put their tag in a dangerous place no else had done so, trying to earn themselves kudos in their community.

However their actions have left a trail of destruction behind. Parents who will have to bury their child. A train driver who will go to bed every night knowing he has killed 3 young men. Police officers who have had to walk the line with rubber gauntlets on and a plastic bag picking up body parts (have you ever seen a human body after it's been hit by a train? It's not pretty.) Paramedics who would have been called to scene even when it's obvious life is extinct. The train driver who spotted the bodies in the morning.

3 precious lives wasted and lost chasing a thrill.

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