[nfwb11]

435i 8AT 0-60 in 5.0 seconds.

Originally Posted by 64-bit

Was is MPE?

M-Performance Exhaust

[openwheelracing]

BMW....time to wake up

[tuned2ride]

19/25 for fun-to-drive is extremely bad for a 3-series, specially with an I6.

But I agree on the bottom line. I drove a few the F3X on a close circuit; I felt that they didn't exude the temperament of a "go-and-get-it" as my previous 3-series.

[johndeere]

I don't get why so many of you get so butt hurt when another car beats your beloved BMW. Do you enjoy the car you have? That's all that should matter.

[RockyTop]

First of all, I am not a BMW fan boy. I like the S5 a lot and strongly considered it.

I shopped these two vehicles extensively...the S5 model I would have purchased MSRP'd at 66k, a comparably equipped 435i came in at 61k. That is a lot of money. The Audi interior also disappointed me...especially the way it's nav controls clicked like a cheap pc mouse or a Detroit car. The BMW buttons depress smoothly, it just feels more grown up.

The S5 is a pretty car no doubt, but it just isn't as attractive as the 4er. The S5 has a lot of overhang in the front and somehow it is a wider car but doesn't have a wider track (win BMW).

Also, the 4er is at it's best with the 8spd Auto. My first three cars were manual transmissions...but I got tired of using it in traffic as my daily driver. Compare these two more similarly equipped, rock the MPPK on the 435i and fit the auto...the 4er takes it.

That's why I have ordered a 435i for ED in April!...and from David Aviles no less.

S5 gets brownie points for LED tail lights though, this was a big disappointment with the 435i.

[auf Deutsch]

All I know is I'm smashing to 60 in way under 5 seconds (closer to 4 than 5). The I6/8AT/xdrive combo is fantastic.

[insanediego]

And try and lease an s5... they don't even show an offer on the site.

I'm leasing a 335i M Sport, pretty much fully loaded (premium, DHP, Navigation, 403M wheels, shades, sport 8AT, cold weather, driver assistance, harman kardon) with MPPK (over 59k msrp) for $611 including CA tax (3k drive off, 12k miles/yr). See how far that gets you with a loaded S4 or S5.

[Tacoma]

Originally Posted by BMWFanatic2008

RWD 6MT is the slowest 435. AWD 8AT would be an even match against S5 as far as 0-60 goes.

Can we just stop this BS about how amazingly fast the AT is? It's not, period. Most test list the 2 transmissions as neck and neck within a few percentage points that pretty well makes the difference negligible. BMW themselves lists 0-60 for the slushbox at 5.0 vs. 5.3 for the manual.

Re the article, firstly thanks to the OP for posting the PDF. Much appreciated. What the article says is nothing that we haven't already heard: the F3x has a more isolated feel and this we where they lost points.

If you look at where the major points were lost vs. the A5, it's in performance, steering feel, brake feel and handling. These are areas that BMW's used to eat the opposition. But the F3x is consistently losing in these categories, first against the IS, then the ATS, now the A4. I'm not confident when the 2015 Mercedes Benz C Class W205 gets tested against the F3x soon.

And LOL at slamming C&D when not too long ago Audi and MB fanboys were fiercely lamenting that BMW must be paying C&D because they favored BMW's so much, winning every comparison test. I used to think what ignorant fanboys and told them so in their forums! But now the shoe is on the other foot and we're the whiners and complainers.

I, for one, want more mags to "slam" the new bimmers. This losing is not an isolated incident, it's a consistent theme. I want BMW to take notice that the enthusiast crowd aren't liking this Lexus-ifcation of BMW one bit. I would like BMW to return to it's core value of being the "ultimate driving machine." In its current iteration, they have clearly missed the mark in an effort to appeal to the masses to sell more cars.

[Mik3ymomo]

Originally Posted by auf Deutsche

All I know is I'm smashing to 60 in way under 5 seconds (closer to 4 than 5). The I6/8AT/xdrive combo is fantastic.

Agreed... C&D needs to work on their times. I remember when you had a hell of a time touching magazine numbers. Now it seems its barely a starting point.

Yes I'm getting cocky lol

[Mik3ymomo]

Originally Posted by Tacoma

Can we just stop this BS about how amazingly fast the AT is? It's not, period. Most test list the 2 transmissions as neck and neck within a few percentage points that pretty well makes the difference negligible. BMW themselves lists 0-60 for the slushbox at 5.0 vs. 5.3 for the manual.

And LOL at slamming C&D when not too long ago Audi and MB fanboys were fiercely lamenting that BMW must be paying C&D because they favored BMW's so much, winning every comparison test. I used to think what ignorant fanboys and told them so in their forums! But now the shoe is on the other foot and we're the whiners and complainers.

I'm not whining and I posted slips. The 435xi 8AT is much faster. Its not BS when you make it happen. I even think there is a video.

[Alessandro]

We need the N55 retired and the new b series engine in that's all.

[Agamemnon]

Well MT did a comparison test utilizing an M-sport 335ix 8AT with MPPK and MPE. They got a 0 to 60 time of 4.4 which matched the Audi S4.

[ToyotaBMW]

Originally Posted by RockyTop

First of all, I am not a BMW fan boy. I like the S5 a lot and strongly considered it.

I shopped these two vehicles extensively...the S5 model I would have purchased MSRP'd at 66k, a comparably equipped 435i came in at 61k. That is a lot of money. The Audi interior also disappointed me...especially the way it's nav controls clicked like a cheap pc mouse or a Detroit car. The BMW buttons depress smoothly, it just feels more grown up.

The S5 is a pretty car no doubt, but it just isn't as attractive as the 4er. The S5 has a lot of overhang in the front and somehow it is a wider car but doesn't have a wider track (win BMW).

Also, the 4er is at it's best with the 8spd Auto. My first three cars were manual transmissions...but I got tired of using it in traffic as my daily driver. Compare these two more similarly equipped, rock the MPPK on the 435i and fit the auto...the 4er takes it.

That's why I have ordered a 435i for ED in April!...and from David Aviles no less.

S5 gets brownie points for LED tail lights though, this was a big disappointment with the 435i.

So much wrong here.
S5 at $66k and comparably equipped 435i at $61K? How can it be comparable when the S5 is AWD and you are comparing it to a RWD 435i? Why don't you compare it to the 435Xdrive? Second they are not comparably equipped either as the S5 has the sport diff and the 435i does not. Also the S5 has the dual clutch transmission and the 435i does not. So these are not comparable cars as you say.
The mouse clicks is not because it is cheap it is so that you know that the cursor has moved to the next item without the need to look at the screen.
Does it matter if the BMW is wider if it doesn't perform better? If it doesn't corner better or hold more g's than who cares if it is wider?

In the end the S5 is an older car and the newer BMW should have been able to kick it's butt. That said we won't know if the new S5 will a lot better or only a little better. In the end both are fairly competitive cars and as consumers we have the luxury to choose which ever one we like more and none are greatly better than the other.

[ecaedus]

in the second paragraph for the audi it said it's more balanced than a 4 series with quicker steering and a more lively chasis...makes me want to test drive the s5 to find out.

hopefully bmw can redeem itself when the comparison between m235i, s3 comes out.

[mhanism]

Originally Posted by 64-bit

Was is MPE?

MPE - M Performance Exhaust

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by Halsifer

But, wouldn't that defeat the purpose of the comparison? The MPPK and MPE isn't just an option I can just add it on through a car configuration, like heated seats, and it isn't something that's gonna be pre-installed on a lot vehicle. I would have to order it and have a dealer install it individually. It definitely would have given more leverage to BMW if they did add those things, but I don't think it would be a fair comparison...

Maybe if the 435i was xDrive? The acceleration numbers tended to be better and then they would both have AWD.

The PpK and mpe etc, are commonly there at time of delivery, known as port installed by BmW. Your dealer doesn't install it. It is delivered as such.

[Falafel Combo]

Originally Posted by Alessandro

We need the N55 retired and the new b series engine in that's all.

New BMW powertrains make me nervous. Personally, I could not be happier with the N55. It also can be easily tweaked for much more power than is advertised (PPK = 336hp/377 lb-ft). And it's reliable. Do we really need more power on a 3500 lb car?

The S4/S5 should only be paired up with M performance models (PPK + MPE equipped cars). Or an Alpina. You know. That 404hp/442 lb-ft one.

[Alessandro]

Originally Posted by alpinweiss 335i

New BMW powertrains make me nervous. Personally, I could not be happier with the N55. It also can be easily tweaked for much more power than is advertised (PPK = 336hp/377 lb-ft). And it's reliable. Do we really need more power on a 3500 lb car?

The S4/S5 should only be paired up with M performance models (PPK + MPE equipped cars). Or an Alpina. You know. That 404hp/442 lb-ft one.

thanks for pointing that out, I am well aware about the possibility's of the N55 but its still not that great compared to the n54.

Do we need more then 300HP well, it will always be more is better this is the trend since ages do we really need it I don't think so but that's a first world problem.

[Gastoys]

Originally Posted by HouseMusicRules

Just got my Car & Driver Apr '14 issue yesterday. In it comes an another interesting comparison... this time between the BMW F32 435i M Sport, and the Audi S5. Both in manual transmissions.

A few interesting developments...

1) The Bimmer pulled off a 0-60mph in 5.2 secs, compared to 4.6 for the S5.
2) Handling... 0.90g vs 0.95g for the S5.
3) Bimmer finishing behind the (7yr old design) S5.

Check out the PDF attached attached for the full 6 page review.

Regards,
HMR.

The n55 motor is "technically" a 7 year old design with just one evolution 3 years ago from the n54 - like the s4. I find it interesting that some magazines are seeing high 4 seconds for the 8sp auto in the n55 motor configuration with a 4.4 when ppk installed for 0 to 60.

I did find it odd that BMW did not bump power 10% for the new F30/31/32 and it may appear to hurt them especially when the Audi S3 for $45k will have 300hp 2.0 for banger.

[Gastoys]

Originally Posted by insanediego

And try and lease an s5... they don't even show an offer on the site.

I'm leasing a 335i M Sport, pretty much fully loaded (premium, DHP, Navigation, 403M wheels, shades, sport 8AT, cold weather, driver assistance, harman kardon) with MPPK (over 59k msrp) for $611 including CA tax (3k drive off, 12k miles/yr). See how far that gets you with a loaded S4 or S5.

What was your residual? I am leasing mine for $750 with just first month payment as my down and I have a 775 credit score an my residual is $35k.

[335BOY]

Originally Posted by alpinweiss 335i

New BMW powertrains make me nervous. Personally, I could not be happier with the N55. It also can be easily tweaked for much more power than is advertised (PPK = 336hp/377 lb-ft). And it's reliable. Do we really need more power on a 3500 lb car?

The S4/S5 should only be paired up with M performance models (PPK + MPE equipped cars). Or an Alpina. You know. That 404hp/442 lb-ft one.

Probably right. Should include xdrive too . Audi wins all this weighing 250 lbs more. I love all you guys who talk about Audis understeer................and BMWs perfect balance.............435 got wacked. I would suggest that majority of 435 buyers are looking for a softer car. I guess BMW is trying to compete with Merc E coupe category.

[Tommy_hf]

The S5 is basicly an S car, just like the RS.
The 435i is a standard car, not M-performance, not M. And dressing up a monkey doesn't make it king kong either. Not surprised. Test drive the non S audi's and Judge again. Hmm FWD 3 litre manual tranny non S audi? No thanks. Then again, there's no M435i available, only the M4 which costs more. Speccing the 435i with M pack, LSD, M brakes and M performance still doesn't make it M.