[Skyhigh]

Originally Posted by EstorilF30B58

If MPPSK is manufactured in Germany then perhaps export import costs overseas cause the price increase?

Actually it is manufactured in the UK

[johnung]

Originally Posted by quixotemi

1. No factory warranty.
2. BMW has smart people and they think this is how the engine should be tuned.
3. It comes down to who you trust. I can only afford one car.

As a side note, BM3 with the AWE exhaust:
1. Exhaust with carbon fiber tips (https://www.kiesmotorsports.com/coll...29487069921395) = $2194
2. BM3 tune (https://www.kiesmotorsports.com/prod...f59e&_ss=r) = $595

== $2789 + labor... or I can go with MPPSK from BMW for $3500 out the door, with the above benefits of my warranty and reliability.

FYI- you jacked up the price on the AWE by $900 in your comparison by choosing the AWE midpipe and the most expensive tips.

The AWE axle-back exhaust is as low as $1,295 for the B58. Most guys don't install the AWE midpipe unless they are looking for very loud. Even guys that I know who like very loud put their stock midpipe back on to appease wives and neighbors.

I've got the BMW M Performance Exhaust which happened to be on my car when I bought it. It's a great exhaust. (Oh, expect the exhaust valve clip to have to be replaced about once a year) But of all of the BMW exhausts that I've actually heard at car show events, etc. the AWE sounds the best. It has a full deep sound that others just don't have.

[Skyhigh]

So... just to be clear:
You are now actually comparing a cat-back exhaust with an axle-back exhaust...!?
And then throw in another axle-back in the equation, just for the sake of it?

Yeah... that comparison went down like a lead balloon.

[quixotemi]

Originally Posted by johnung

FYI- you jacked up the price on the AWE by $900 in your comparison by choosing the AWE midpipe and the most expensive tips.

The AWE axle-back exhaust is as low as $1,295 for the B58. Most guys don't install the AWE midpipe unless they are looking for very loud. Even guys that I know who like very loud put their stock midpipe back on to appease wives and neighbors.

I've got the BMW M Performance Exhaust which happened to be on my car when I bought it. It's a great exhaust. (Oh, expect the exhaust valve clip to have to be replaced about once a year) But of all of the BMW exhausts that I've actually heard at car show events, etc. the AWE sounds the best. It has a full deep sound that others just don't have.

The MPPSK is a full catback with a new midpipe so we have to compare them equally if we're looking at AWE. And the $3,500 is with the carbon fiber tips. Now thats with a discount from the dealership, though. Depending on your negotiation skills your milage may vary.

I'm not knocking either choice. Its other peoples time and money. But when watching that video it is a bit disingenuous as they don't talk about all the benefits MPPSK gives you.


GetBMWParts will sell you the kit for $3,050 (carbon fiber tips and all): https://www.getbmwparts.com/oem-part...it-11122444531

Obviously you can't do your own tune if you get the kit from GetBMWParts, however its an indicator how commonly they are discounted.

[johnung]

Originally Posted by quixotemi

The MPPSK is a full catback with a new midpipe so we have to compare them equally if we're looking at AWE. And the $3,500 is with the carbon fiber tips. Now thats with a discount from the dealership, though. Depending on your negotiation skills your milage may vary.

I'm not knocking either choice. Its other peoples time and money. But when watching that video it is a bit disingenuous as they don't talk about all the benefits MPPSK gives you.


GetBMWParts will sell you the kit for $3,050 (carbon fiber tips and all): https://www.getbmwparts.com/oem-part...it-11122444531

Obviously you can't do your own tune if you get the kit from GetBMWParts, however its an indicator how commonly they are discounted.

I already told you why it's not an equal comparison of the AWE has its midpipe because it's so much louder. It's not a practical comparison

[Skyhigh]

The AWE is louder WITH midpipe than MPPSK without, which, with valves open, is practically a straight pipe!?

Something keeps telling me you don't know MPPSK at all and just compare the price tags (as many others). It is not difficult to conclude there are cheaper options. There are also equivalent options. But again - not cheap and equivalent at the same time.

The closest thing to the MPPSK exhaust is Akrapovic Evo. And it's price (without any tune and warranty retention) is not far off.

[AllaVodka]

I'm waiting for a (hopeful) black friday sale to get mine!

[steveindabmer]

I got mine when my car was nearly new as I wanted my warranty intact.

I got mine from Sun Motor Cars BMW in Mechanicsburg PA. It was the cheapest i could find and they were only an 1:30 from me.

Email them for a quote.

[MicroSux]

I also ordered mine from Brian at Sun Motors. No tax and shipped it for free. The one thing I will add is my local didn’t like that I saved $1500 by purchasing it elsewhere and they were reluctant to install it. Love love love my MPPSK on my 2017 340i Lux Line.

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by Hxngs

I want the exhaust so bad but I do not want the tune smh

you can get the MPE but it's not as good. btw the tune is awesome you will not regret the extra low end torque and overall power increase and it's reliable power with the same fuel economy.

[Randy Johnson]

I'm sure the power and sound are nice but I just can't see that price tag. Maybe if I found a used bmw with the mppk already installed it would be worth it but not after the fact. Enjoy the improved ride.

[quixotemi]

Originally Posted by aardate

I hear you. It took me about 8 months of contemplating doing this mod to finally pull the plug.

$3500 installed with carbon fiber tips is actually one of the better pricing I've seen.

If you are keeping the car longer term and would like to make it a little more special then I thing it's worth it. If you are not going to keep it for long then I would say don't do it as you might not be able to get all of that expense when trading or selling.

You where right! Got it today and absolutely love it! Except I think the dealership now hates me as I kept haggling and haggling and haggling... finally they got me out the door for $2,000 with installation, tax, and the carbon fiber tips

[aardate]

Originally Posted by quixotemi

You where right! Got it today and absolutely love it! Except I think the dealership now hates me as I kept haggling and haggling and haggling... finally they got me out the door for $2,000 out the door with installation, tax, and the carbon fiber tips

Haha. That's awesome! You got it for a steal enjoy it

[BingoTheClown]

$3500 is a great price! $2k is incredible!

I was quoted $5k for parts, install and coding at my local dealer, 2 weeks ago. That's a no go for me. $3,500 would be worth it for me.

Originally Posted by EstorilF30B58

I finally got MPPSK installed and I am blown away. This system is amazing. I'm so glad I can make it quieter by going into comfort or eco. The sound is unbelievably loud, the whole street echos with pops and crackles. And it does it when I want (downshifting to m1, makes insane sounds)

This is everything I've wanted from a car. Great power comes with great responsibility. If I couldn't close the valves I would've been screwed.

This is 110% worth it. Got it for $3500 cad all in

[CajunBMW]

Originally Posted by quixotemi

You where right! Got it today and absolutely love it! Except I think the dealership now hates me as I kept haggling and haggling and haggling... finally they got me out the door for $2,000 with installation, tax, and the carbon fiber tips

Looks great. That is exactly what I got and did. The CF tips and put the sticker right on the engine cover in rough the same spot. Enjoy the MPPSK.

[Rdurty2]

Originally Posted by EstorilF30B58

This is 110% worth it. Got it for $3500 cad all in

How in the world did you pay $3500 cad for it installed?! That’s around 2700 USD. I don’t even think I can get it installed for $3500 USD. What you paid is crazy!

[WDE82]

Originally Posted by quixotemi

You where right! Got it today and absolutely love it! Except I think the dealership now hates me as I kept haggling and haggling and haggling... finally they got me out the door for $2,000 with installation, tax, and the carbon fiber tips

I don't even see how this is possible. Did you fake a slip and fall in the lobby? You get some photos of the manager grabbing ass at work?

[jhm5]

Originally Posted by Hxngs

I want the exhaust so bad but I do not want the tune smh

Funny. I want the tune, but not the exhaust maybe. Anyone have it on a manual tranny? I'm concerned about droning exhaust at normal cruising speed.

[quixotemi]

Originally Posted by WDE82

I don't even see how this is possible. Did you fake a slip and fall in the lobby? You get some photos of the manager grabbing ass at work?

Haha not at all. Just kept checking in every 1-2 weeks. I started talking to them about three months ago and just kept at it. I think they were trying to earn a little more for this month so I might've been just at the right place-right time. Plus I think it helped that I bought the car from them back in March as CPO.

[CajunBMW]

Originally Posted by jhm5

Funny. I want the tune, but not the exhaust maybe. Anyone have it on a manual tranny? I'm concerned about droning exhaust at normal cruising speed.

There is no drone in comfort mode at any speed, at least none that I can hear. If you put it in sport mode, the only drone I have noted is somewhere around 1600-1800 rpms. I don't think it is horrible and don't really notice it anymore. But mostly I run in comfort out on the highways. The power is still there and if you floor it the valves do open at 3K or 4K RPMs. Hope that helps.

[Skyhigh]

The valves open at 4000.
There is a slight drone around 2000 rpm in comfort. Not extreme but appreciable. Only there though.

[CajunBMW]

Originally Posted by Skyhigh

The valves open at 4000.
There is a slight drone around 2000 rpm in comfort. Not extreme but appreciable. Only there though.

That is interesting that you note a drone in comfort. On my car, I don't hear any drone in comfort at the noted rpms, but if I go to sport then yes at those rpms. It is really an immediate drone if I switch from comfort to sport and try to keep the same rpms. I just find that if I use sport with the gear shift moved to the left that solves that drone issue on my car (since the rpms are just a bit higher). Sport+ also eliminates the drone for the same reason. So me there has never really been a drone issue, which of course means I am still super happy with the mppsk.