ZHP.....why no chatter?

EvenKeel · 11-01-2018, 07:52 PM

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I was thinking about a white 6MT at my local dealership, but it's not very compelling. The original ZHP changed the differential final drive, suspension control arms, springs, dampers, engine tuning, a bunch of interior accents like Alcantara and black aluminum, unique gauges, bumpers, wheels, tires, and added a short throw shifter. This was all for only $2700 more than the regular sport package.

The new 340i ZHP's only performance upgrades are the MPPSK and the M Perf LSD. Everything else is carbon fiber stick-on accessories. That all costs $7000. Even adjusted for inflation that's a lot more than the previous ZHP which IMO changed a lot more. I think they should have axed the carbon fiber bits and put in the M Performance suspension and maybe reduced the package price to about $4500. IMO the LSD and MPPSK are overpriced and they could package those all together for much less.

So the total cost of the cars are $62,000. I don't think the car is optioned well for either people who want a driver's car nor people who want a fully loaded car. On one hand it has the passive dampers, LSD, MPPSK, and "only" the premium package which seems attractive to people who want a driver's car. On the other hand, it has useless carbon fiber bits and the heavy 19" wheels with RFTs which really jack up the price and weight of the car. Additionally it doesn't even have the M Sport Brakes! It has the standard 6 cylinder brakes. So it's got a bit of an identity crisis, IMO. For that price, it had better appeal directly to a particular group which I don't think this car does very well.

I see your points, but if your only gripe is that the cost of the package is $7k, your comments are unmerited. The LSD and MPPSK alone are over $7k if dealer installed and manufacturer warrantied. See for yourself, price it up with your dealer...I did. The car is meant to be bare-bones with a couple of niceties to make your daily-drive a little more comfortable. The original e46 ZHP did not have an LSD, hence it's lower price. It didn't have an extra 40hp and an active exhaust system, hence it's lower price. You can't honestly compare the two packages...THEY ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT!

In regards to your comment about the brakes, this issue has been beat to death already. M sport are almost the same as the M perf brakes, the only difference being that the M Perf come with 370mm dimpled/slotted rotors while the M sport are 340mm flat rotors. Both are 4 piston Brembo front and 2 piston rear. The only real benefit of the M Perf Brake Package is probably better heat dissipation. You will be paying over $2k for basically a painted caliper...

Take a look at the reasons BMW gave for creating the limited edition package and you'll see why it makes sense. Am I biased...YES I AM!

The standard grey 340i brakes are 4 piston front (fixed) with 340mm rotors and Single piston rear (sliding/floating) with 330mm rotors.

The Msport blue brakes are are 4 piston front (fixed) with 370mm rotors and 2 piston rear (fixed) with 345mm rotors.

Mperformance are the same as the MSport blue brakes; with dimpled and slotted rotors.

How much of a difference is there between the standard vs M Sport brakes. I'm curious if the rear dual piston makes a difference vs the sliding

http://www.whyhighend.com/floating-v...-calipers.html

AlexUBMW · 01-20-2019, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by neurotichamster

hello guys;

my local dealer has a 340i ZHP but I cant find much reviews or videos about this car?

I know what the ZHP is and what it is not, but love to read/see reviews; any advice?

cheers

Let me know what you think

AlexUBMW · 01-20-2019, 07:40 AM

Hey guys, I’m new to this thread, I just bought a 2012 stick 335.
I posted this video of the 340i ZHP

Whate are your thoughts!?

pjkbrit · 01-20-2019, 09:00 AM

Ok well I have one... I paid $58k for it. Bought it because it's last 6MT you'll see in a regular 3 series. Sure the 8 speed auto is very very good but I like driving a manual.
You could not build the car by adding the ZHP pack to a regular 340 for the same $$$.
The good:
Msppk
Factory lsd
Exhaust... when I'm in the mood
HK stereo
Ride and handling are perfect for a daily driver even with the 19" asymmetric run flat set up.
Car is fast as hell and ticks all the boxes as a drivers car.
Rarity

The bad:
The exhaust when I'm not in the mood
No heated steering

G20 will be a larger car, auto only, will have that horrible new front grille. Not for me. 355 hp in an F30 is plenty.

Should I have spent more on an M3? Too much of a track car for me and no way will you actually find one you can buy for $68k around here ...(NY).

pjkbrit · 01-20-2019, 09:17 AM

One more bad; car only has std LED headlamps which are not as good as the adaptive xenons I had on my old 335. Brighter yes but short on range.

Wires · 01-20-2019, 10:33 AM

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One more bad; car only has std LED headlamps which are not as good as the adaptive xenons I had on my old 335. Brighter yes but short on range.

I figured the would have addressed that. Is the G20 better for headlights? I used to see threads about how poor the Fxx was for headlights, as well as the NTSB substandard ratings. Driving in town you don't really notice. And then I switched jobs that required some 2-lane black top in the night commute. BMW low beams are

. Adding high beams is marginally better but then you start blinding people.

Blubaron79 · 01-20-2019, 02:47 PM

Because it's stuff you can just add to your 340i when you order it from the factory like I did. It's nothing special.

anotheran · 01-20-2019, 03:17 PM

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I figured the would have addressed that. Is the G20 better for headlights? I used to see threads about how poor the Fxx was for headlights, as well as the NTSB substandard ratings. Driving in town you don't really notice. And then I switched jobs that required some 2-lane black top in the night commute. BMW low beams are

. Adding high beams is marginally better but then you start blinding people.

The standard leds are bright enough just aimed too low. Try readjusting aim

Wires · 01-21-2019, 07:21 PM

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The standard leds are bright enough just aimed too low. Try readjusting aim

Good tip. I shall check that out.

pjkbrit · 01-23-2019, 11:02 AM

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Because it's stuff you can just add to your 340i when you order it from the factory like I did. It's nothing special.

To do that you'd spend a lot more than the cost of the package from BMW.

LSD
MSPPK
MPE
19" 437 Asymmetric rims
M-Sport trim
Carbon Fiber rear spoiler
Premium leather steering wheel....(unheated!!)

1 of 100 last of line FWIW....will hold value better than a regular M-Sport IMHO, but that's not why I bought it.

Blubaron79 · 01-23-2019, 11:23 AM

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Because it's stuff you can just add to your 340i when you order it from the factory like I did. It's nothing special.

To do that you'd spend a lot more than the cost of the package from BMW.

LSD
MSPPK
MPE
19" 437 Asymmetric rims
M-Sport trim
Carbon Fiber rear spoiler
Premium leather steering wheel....(unheated!!)

1 of 100 last of line FWIW....will hold value better than a regular M-Sport IMHO, but that's not why I bought it.

Unheated... NOPE

Gen13 F36 · 01-23-2019, 12:03 PM

Now in the new G20, they going to call the ZHP the M340i and price to match...lol

BEAR-AvHistory · 01-23-2019, 12:15 PM

Don't see any heavy demand for the car that would cause it to be a special used car down the road. Some of the 100 were sitting on dealer lots back in Sept with $5/6K discounts for openers. Warrwick BMW $56K

https://www.bmwofwarwick.com/detail-...-18035467.html

pjkbrit · 01-23-2019, 03:06 PM

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Don't see any heavy demand for the car that would cause it to be a special used car down the road. Some of the 100 were sitting on dealer lots back in Sept with $5/6K discounts for openers. Warrwick BMW $56K

https://www.bmwofwarwick.com/detail-...-18035467.html

That spec in the listing does not line up with the car in the pics.....stated as an Auto and it's a 6 speed....but I did see that car when I was looking. Got mine in Melbourne Red....better color IMHO than the white.

No doubt the ZHP is a 'bin end' car...but it's got the right things on it except for the heated wheel....

. Having had 2 X-Drive F30s the handling on this one is SO much better and it's more than fast enough...(otherwise how will you see the potholes in time?).

BEAR-AvHistory · 01-23-2019, 05:04 PM

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That spec in the listing does not line up with the car in the pics.....stated as an Auto and it's a 6 speed....but I did see that car when I was looking. Got mine in Melbourne Red....better color IMHO than the white.

No doubt the ZHP is a 'bin end' car...but it's got the right things on it except for the heated wheel....

. Having had 2 X-Drive F30s the handling on this one is SO much better and it's more than fast enough...(otherwise how will you see the potholes in time?).

Agree. Am personally not a fan of white cars never owned one. Closest I came was a white over red 57 Ford convertible about 6 decades ago.

anotheran · 01-23-2019, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory

Don't see any heavy demand for the car that would cause it to be a special used car down the road. Some of the 100 were sitting on dealer lots back in Sept with $5/6K discounts for openers. Warrwick BMW $56K

https://www.bmwofwarwick.com/detail-...-18035467.html

This one doesn't even have the m sport brakes.

Zhp is definitely a marketing thing for this generation.

CalCarNut · 01-23-2019, 07:14 PM

You can still find M4-GTS cars on dealer lots that were special and low production. The ZHP is no different in terms of marketing strategy.

kpgray · 01-23-2019, 07:40 PM

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Let me know what you think

Alex, I test drove that specific White ZHP at your dealer. It is certainly an upgrade over my 2014 335i RWD with MPPK & MPE. The steering was firmer, tighter and the feedback was was better felt through the wheel. I noticed the B58 pulls stronger and more linear than my N55 (car had under 100 miles so it was not even broke in, I did not push it too hard, but it was noticeably stronger than my 335i), I immediately recognized the LSD under 30 MPH, as the car did not activate the traction control under full throttle. It had been a few years since I drove a 6-speed and I really liked the downshift speed matching. I had forgot how nice the BMW 6-speed is. As for the F30 model, this may be just a cosmetic and bolt on gimmick by BMW, it is certainly is a nice driving one, possibly the best of the F30 lineage (excluding the "M").

IMHO, BMW should have made this car with an upgraded tune (new G20 tune?), carbon fiber roof, adaptive suspension or the BMW aftermarket springs, heated steering wheel, different color brake calipers (yellow?) a ZHP identifier on the dash trim and maybe blacked out 340i tags on the exterior. However, I would presume the marketing said you have to keep it around $63K MSRP as then you are crossing into 'M3" territory, that being said, the vehicle is still a very nice drive, I guess at least BMW did something to have a perceived special model at the end. This may be the last of the manual 3's (I think the "M" may still have some available) but the new G20 is coming with 380HP and LSD standard, it may be a quicker car right out of the box. I wonder if in 10 years the ZHP will be a desirable model as the last of the manuals... I guess time will tell.

kpgray · 01-23-2019, 07:54 PM

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You can still find M4-GTS cars on dealer lots that were special and low production. The ZHP is no different in terms of marketing strategy.

I see quite a few listed GTS models in the want adds. With Base M3 at $66,500, this $62,740 ZHP is getting pretty close to the M in cost.

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pjkbrit Second Lieutenant 128 Rep 262 Posts Drives: 2018 340i 6MT ZHP Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: New York iTrader: (0)	Ok well I have one... I paid $58k for it. Bought it because it's last 6MT you'll see in a regular 3 series. Sure the 8 speed auto is very very good but I like driving a manual. You could not build the car by adding the ZHP pack to a regular 340 for the same $$$. The good: Msppk Factory lsd Exhaust... when I'm in the mood HK stereo Ride and handling are perfect for a daily driver even with the 19" asymmetric run flat set up. Car is fast as hell and ticks all the boxes as a drivers car. Rarity The bad: The exhaust when I'm not in the mood No heated steering G20 will be a larger car, auto only, will have that horrible new front grille. Not for me. 355 hp in an F30 is plenty. Should I have spent more on an M3? Too much of a track car for me and no way will you actually find one you can buy for $68k around here ...(NY).
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