[Nobby Clark]

Originally Posted by creepy coupe

The KIA warranty is a diminishing level of cover though isn't it?

It is to a point (radio is 3 years cover for example). But where the BMW stops dead at 3 years, KIAs continues more than double.

[Consett Mag]

My 330d is over 3 years old and hasn't had anything needing repair. No breakdowns of any kind.
My son's 8 year old 320 never missed a beat also.

I was used to older Non-BMW cars that had bits like bearings and brackets that lasted just 2 years - probably pattern parts mind.
But I'm impressed with the brand.

[Nobby Clark]

Originally Posted by Syntac

Does it cover as much as the comprehensive cover from BMW, as that pretty much covers everything up to 100K miles?

It's all here and seems to cover what you'd expect it to.
https://www.kia.com/uk/innovation/7-...nd-exclusions/

KIAs warranty is unlimited mileage for the first 3 years, then up to 100K or 7 years.

Originally Posted by Syntac

It might have the tech on paper but from what I've seen on cars similarly priced, the quality of the tech isn't even worth the option. i.e. their media/nav system vs iDrive. Or comparing climate control effectiveness for example.

I disagree. My wife has a Sportage KX4. It was £26K and has far, far more standard kit than a BMW let alone a BMW @£26K

As for quality of options, taking your example of climate control, there are a lot of people on here underwhelmed by BMW's effort even if it is just the fact that BMW dual zone controls don't sync. KIA's do

[creepy coupe]

Originally Posted by XK140

What about Toyota's 5 year/ 100k miles warranty?...

...which might diminish,I haven't checked,but if it doesn't it would confirm my gut feeling that they are generally more reliable than the German brands.

No suggesting there isn't more reliable non German brands. Just some cars have less to go wrong. I'd say a 3 series buyer is more likely to pay for hi tech options than say an Avensis buyer.

[ciscopete822]

Originally Posted by Nobby Clark

It's all here and seems to cover what you'd expect it to.
https://www.kia.com/uk/innovation/7-...nd-exclusions/

KIAs warranty is unlimited mileage for the first 3 years, then up to 100K or 7 years.



I disagree. My wife has a Sportage KX4. It was £26K and has far, far more standard kit than a BMW let alone a BMW @£26K

As for quality of options, taking your example of climate control, there are a lot of people on here underwhelmed by BMW's effort even if it is just the fact that BMW dual zone controls don't sync. KIA's do

fully agreed , Basic warranty from KIA is free (me think) and covers all except for:



Nicely laid out , you know exactly what is what. Try finding same info on BMW website.... - plus you have to pay from comprehensive , right??

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by HighlandPete

I do believe you've had a good run. My experience over the last 3 examples, BMW don't rate at all well for reliability or longevity. All sorts of small niggles, issues, and premature failures. You wouldn't want to see my list of warranty repairs over the three cars.

An idea of the annoying type of failure, includes a flat bed recovery due to a Comfort Access door handle failure, shorting the electrics. Plus a second door handle has failed since. Something like door handles... you don't expect them to fail. You can only put it down to poor quality.

Premature failure of both rear air springs, (~40k miles), common problem with BMW over 20 years and they still can't get it right. That's where users get niggled and expect more.

I drive with mechanical sympathy, don't expect perfection, (lived with a paint run on my 330d), try and keep an unprejudiced view of any car.

I've had friends say "why do you keep buying them?, when much cheaper cars can be more reliable".

On the larger subject, I agree on "expectations", BMW don't have a good track record, getting worse as cars get more complex.

I guess I must be lucky.

[TouringPleb]

Originally Posted by Wills2

I guess I must be lucky.

I must be another lucky one..

I'm on my third F3X and the only warranty claim was on my first F31 for a low tone horn which was a common problem. I do 18-20k miles a year and when I can I like to 'make progress'.

[creepy coupe]

Originally Posted by Nobby Clark

It is to a point (radio is 3 years cover for example). But where the BMW stops dead at 3 years, KIAs continues more than double.

It's not that black and white though,

Cover limits...

The battery – this is covered for 24 months

Bushes, bearings and steering joints Air con. are not covered after 36 months. And yes this is more than BMW. But it's not a rosy as it first looks

[creepy coupe]

Originally Posted by TouringPleb

I must be another lucky one..

I'm on my third F3X and the only warranty claim was on my first F31 for a low tone horn which was a common problem. I do 18-20k miles a year and when I can I like to 'make progress'.

I've just toted up. I'm on my 11th BMW and 8 minis of various configurations.

BMW's I've had a new steering rack in an E92 and new HPFP and injectors in a 335i

Mini. new timing chain and tensioner cassette.

[XK140]

Originally Posted by creepy coupe

No suggesting there isn't more reliable non German brands. Just some cars have less to go wrong. I'd say a 3 series buyer is more likely to pay for hi tech options than say an Avensis buyer.

The 3 series buyer is more likely to pay for high tech options because said options often come standard on other makes.

[Nobby Clark]

Originally Posted by creepy coupe

It's not that black and white though,

Cover limits...

The battery – this is covered for 24 months

Bushes, bearings and steering joints Air con. are not covered after 36 months. And yes this is more than BMW. But it's not a rosy as it first looks

I didn't say it was the be all and end all.
Just that it's better than the BMW warranty - so at least we agree.

[creepy coupe]

Originally Posted by XK140

The 3 series buyer is more likely to pay for high tech options because said options often come standard on other makes.

I'm a bit out of touch. they no longer do the Avensis. The Auris is a 1 series sized car and you need to buy two models up from base to get nav

[hudson012003]

Originally Posted by Nobby Clark

It is to a point (radio is 3 years cover for example). But where the BMW stops dead at 3 years, KIAs continues more than double.

ok, we'll wait till you try & get your wheels replaced at 5-years old (example) & then tell us how good Kia are with their 7-year warranty. Also, don't forget that BMW contribute to mechanical issues after the warranty finishes, don't think our Korean friends would do the same...

[Bryans69]

Originally Posted by hudson012003

ok, we'll wait till you try & get your wheels replaced at 5-years old (example) & then tell us how good Kia are with their 7-year warranty. Also, don't forget that BMW contribute to mechanical issues after the warranty finishes, don't think our Korean friends would do the same...

When it suites. Not interested in cracked alloys or door seals that fall off, both well known issues that I've had in the past.

I think the German's are going to need to up their game, as the Korean's are getting much better. Friends have just bought an almost new Kia Sportage more with more kit than you can dream of for £18k, and they are very impressed. Is it a X1/X2/X3 whatever the BMW equivalent is? Probably not, but is the BMW worth £10-£20k more? At the top end (3 litre petrol / diesel) they don't really compete, but at the lower end, apart from badge, not so sure.

[Nobby Clark]

Originally Posted by hudson012003

ok, we'll wait till you try & get your wheels replaced at 5-years old (example) & then tell us how good Kia are with their 7-year warranty. Also, don't forget that BMW contribute to mechanical issues after the warranty finishes, don't think our Korean friends would do the same...

Any facts to back that up? Thought not

As I said above and in other posts about diamond cut alloys...
My KIA is 6 this November. I’ve just (3 weeks ago) had a 4th full set of alloysbreplaced under warranty.

[teaston]

Originally Posted by creepy coupe

A 1980's Astra GTE had a digi dash

I had one of them, bloody loved it!

Does look a tiny bit dated now though!

[Kendo67]

After someone mentioning the Vauxhall Digi dash i found myself looking at Monza GSe`s , i always fancied one of them back in the day.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/253643049200

https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1017188

Kenny

[JD6]

Originally Posted by XK140

What about Toyota's 5 year/ 100k miles warranty?...

...which might diminish,I haven't checked,but if it doesn't it would confirm my gut feeling that they are generally more reliable than the German brands.

I was talking to someone about their Toyota warranty recently. Their car developed a bad rattle in the dash in its first year, but Toyota refused to look at it as the car was over 6 months old.

[hudson012003]

Originally Posted by Nobby Clark

Any facts to back that up? Thought not

As I said above and in other posts about diamond cut alloys...
My KIA is 6 this November. I’ve just (3 weeks ago) had a 4th full set of alloysbreplaced under warranty.

Facts? I merely mentioned examples to be given in X years warranty time!

Well done on 4 x wheel sets in 6-years, why don't you prove how good Kia are on warranty & post the receipts? I've had wheel warranty work by BMW and have the receipts, are you willing to post the Kia x4 receipts for 16 wheels in 6-years??

[Nobby Clark]

Originally Posted by hudson012003

Facts? I merely mentioned examples to be given in X years warranty time!

Well done on 4 x wheel sets in 6-years, why don't you prove how good Kia are on warranty & post the receipts? I've had wheel warranty work by BMW and have the receipts, are you willing to post the Kia x4 receipts for 16 wheels in 6-years??

A) because they have never given me a receipt for warranty work as neither did BMW.
B) I have no reason to lie and nothing to prove

Feel free to big up the BMW warranty. Just don’t be fooled that “lesser” marques are not hot on the heels and in some respects far better than some “luxury” marques.

[JD6]

I have never had receipts for warranty work from BMW either, and surely we can take a forum member's word. There was a recent post on this forum from someone else with a Sportage whose wheels looked to be in a dreadfully corroded state and Kia were refusing to touch them as the car was over 3 years old, from memory.

Quite odd that they will willingly supply 4 sets to one person and refuse another entirely.

[ciscopete822]

Originally Posted by hudson012003

Facts? I merely mentioned examples to be given in X years warranty time!

Well done on 4 x wheel sets in 6-years, why don't you prove how good Kia are on warranty & post the receipts? I've had wheel warranty work by BMW and have the receipts, are you willing to post the Kia x4 receipts for 16 wheels in 6-years??

16 wheels replaced without even one fart - good luck doing that with BMW . Its not 19 century old sport - printouts (receipts) are thing of a past
What ?!?! You had warranty work on your BMW?? Impossible , bullsh1t , they never break....