[Dave_3]

As discussed in other posts, when we leave the smothering control of the evil European Union, we can get back to being great again and push out more homegrown automotive design classics again...... Take that Johnny foreigner.

(hopefully a new British company will produce the lowering springs to replace ACS).

D.

[mikeoz]

Let's hope we don't produce that again lol

[TouringPleb]

It's ok, remember we can all drive Bentleys, Mclarens, LR and Jaguars.

[TodmordenLad]

Originally Posted by TouringPleb

It's ok, remember we can all drive Bentleys, Mclarens, LR and Jaguars.

And Morgans - the only British car company AFAIK!

[Tengocity]

Originally Posted by TodmordenLad

And Morgans - the only British car company AFAIK!

There's Ariel too!

[NISFAN]

And TVR, Honda, Nissan, Vauxhall and Toyota's

[JD6]

Originally Posted by LobB

It's excellent news.

The Bill repealing the ECA1972 has now received royal ascent and last week passed into law. This means at 23.01 on 29.03.2019 the UK will formally leave the EU, the ECJ jurisdiction automatically ceases and we concurrently leave the SM and CU.

This is now UK law

Let’s take a look at those 4 points:

1. ECJ jurisdiction ends March 2019 - Wrong. It continues during at least the transition period and possibly beyond. TBC

2. We leave the SM in March 2019 - Wrong. We remain within it during at least the transition period and possibly beyond. TBC

3. We leave the CU in March 2019 - Wrong. We remain in the CU during the transition period and the extended transition to allow for the Northern Irish border issue to be resolved. In practice this could take many years.

4. We formally leave the EU in March 2019 - correct in name at least.

One out of four isn’t bad

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by TouringPleb

It's ok, remember we can all drive Bentleys, Mclarens, LR and Jaguars.

Originally Posted by TodmordenLad

And Morgans - the only British car company AFAIK!

Originally Posted by Tengocity

There's Ariel too!

Ginetta cars as well.

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by JD6

Let’s take a look at those 4 points:

1. ECJ jurisdiction ends March 2019 - Wrong. It continues during at least the transition period and possibly beyond. TBC

2. We leave the SM in March 2019 - Wrong. We remain within it during at least the transition period and possibly beyond. TBC

3. We leave the CU in March 2019 - Wrong. We remain in the CU during the transition period and the extended transition to allow for the Northern Irish border issue to be resolved. In practice this could take many years.

4. We formally leave the EU in March 2019 - correct in name at least.

One out of four isn’t bad

Let's face it we may well "leave" but won't actually, it will be a fudge of all fudges.

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by JD6

Let’s take a look at those 4 points:

1. ECJ jurisdiction ends March 2019 - Wrong. It continues during at least the transition period and possibly beyond. TBC

2. We leave the SM in March 2019 - Wrong. We remain within it during at least the transition period and possibly beyond. TBC

3. We leave the CU in March 2019 - Wrong. We remain in the CU during the transition period and the extended transition to allow for the Northern Irish border issue to be resolved. In practice this could take many years.

4. We formally leave the EU in March 2019 - correct in name at least.

One out of four isn’t bad

And I believe we have to continue to contribute to the EU budget until the end of the transition period (however long that turns out to be?). Worse, if that transition period goes beyond the end of 2020 (which it almost certainly will) I think there's a suggestion we'll lose our current rebate at that stage which means we'll then be paying more than we do now whilst having no say in how the rules of the EU are formulated......

[JD6]

Originally Posted by LobB

1. ECJ jurisdiction ceases. UK highest court can refer to ECJ principles on a case for case basis, if needed, for EU citizens for a period post 29.03.2019, not exceeding seven years.

“We’re happy to accept ECJ jurisdiction in that period (the transition),” Davis told a hearing of the Exiting the EU committee of MPs on Wednesday (24 January).

The UK government will also implement any new EU laws passed prior to 29 March 2019 – the date it is due to leave the EU – Davis told MPs. However, he did not confirm whether this would apply to new rules adopted during the transition period. https://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-...-admits-davis/

Originally Posted by LobB

2. We formally leave the SM on 29.03.2019 (as above). For a twenty month transitional period the UK will mirror SM principles, to give business a period of acclimatisation, but as a non member of the EU and SM.

We don't leave the SM in any meaningful sense during the transition period. The EU have even accepted that the UK can choose to remain permanently in the SM at any point during the transition https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8300811.html

Originally Posted by LobB

3.We formally leave the CU on 29.03.2019 (as above). Please see response to number 2 above. There is already a border between NI and the RofI. A border for duty. A border for currency. A border for VAT.

I can only assume you haven't watched the news or read a newspaper for a year. If the UK was not in the CU while the Republic of Ireland is then there would be a need for a hard border. As a consequence of this, the UK is staying in the CU during the transition period, and an extended transition period while they attempt to find a customs solution for goods. https://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-...-new-backstop/

Originally Posted by LobB

4. We formally leave the EU, CU, SM and the ECJ ceases jurisdiction at 23.01hrs on 29.03.2019. You will have seen the necessary legalisation got royal ascent and went on the statute books last week. This is now UK law.

You are confusing a technical procedure with reality. But I guess we should see that as a positive - perhaps we can just get away with telling Leavers that we're out, give them a (French-made) blue passport, allow them to buy a pound of apples, and they'll believe it

[Tengocity]

Remind me Lobb, what's the benefits of Brexit?

[JD6]

Originally Posted by LobB

You're confusing the legal reality with some "quotes" reported in the press. I refer you again to the statutory instrument (as previous post) that got royal assent and passed into law last week. It is now UK law that we leave the EU, SM, CU and ECJ on 29.03.2019.
Transition periods mean nothing, as from that date we will be transitioning as an ex-member of the EU

You appear to be the only person in the world who believes that the terms of Brexit have all been decided and are settled. That could hardly be further from the truth, but you can cling on to that delusion if it suits you.

At some point you'll wake up and realise that very little has been settled beyond the fact that we need ever-expanding transition periods to cope with the lack of progress. The likely outcome for those who can take a step back to see what's really going on, is a fudged half in, half out Brexit that doesn't suit Leavers or Remainers.

[antjos1]

Originally Posted by JD6

You appear to be the only person in the world who believes that the terms of Brexit have all been decided and are settled. That could hardly be further from the truth, but you can cling on to that delusion if it suits you.

At some point you'll wake up and realise that very little has been settled beyond the fact that we need ever-expanding transition periods to cope with the lack of progress. The likely outcome for those who can take a step back to see what's really going on, is a fudged half in, half out Brexit that doesn't suit Leavers or Remainers.

It's not a matter of what suits leavers or remainers June 2016 the country had a vote whether we leave or stay in the EU and the people voted to leave.
This meant we had control of our borders,leave the SM and CU, we will be able to spend our money on what we want to, and have our own laws.The sooner we are out the better and if it's going to be a catastrophe like all the remainers are saying I think the country is quite capable of looking after itself.
GB will always be GREAT.
Stop faffing about get out now.
I didn't vote for the Tories at the last election so I had to accept the result, I didn't ask for another vote.
Just all be together as one .
What will be will be.

[JD6]

Originally Posted by antjos1

It's not a matter of what suits leavers or remainers June 2016 the country had a vote whether we leave or stay in the EU and the people voted to leave.
This meant we had control of our borders,leave the SM and CU, we will be able to spend our money on what we want to, and have our own laws.The sooner we are out the better and if it's going to be a catastrophe like all the remainers are saying I think the country is quite capable of looking after itself.
GB will always be GREAT.
Stop faffing about get out now.
I didn't vote for the Tories at the last election so I had to accept the result, I didn't ask for another vote.
Just all be together as one .
What will be will be.

You have a short memory. When your spiritual leader, the great Farage thought he had lost the referendum, he actually said that 52/48 wouldn't settle the matter. He said at the time if it's 2/3 1/3 that would settle it.

Even if we accept the result, scraping through by a narrow margin does not give a mandate for a hard Brexit. Perhaps you should have voted Tory at the last election - the loss of their majority has taken away their ability to force through difficult policies. Instead they have to compromise and seek consensus.

About 500 out of 650 MPs would prefer to oppose Brexit. They may decide for the sake of democracy respect the referendum result, but they are unlikely to back the kind of hard Brexit you desire. I hope you are prepared to be disappointed by the final deal. I am.

[Tengocity]

Originally Posted by LobB

This was debated widely two years ago Terry just before the referendum. You lost the debate.

So you can't remember either I assume?

[antjos1]

Originally Posted by JD6

You have a short memory. When your spiritual leader, the great Farage thought he had lost the referendum, he actually said that 52/48 wouldn't settle the matter. He said at the time if it's 2/3 1/3 that would settle it.

Even if we accept the result, scraping through by a narrow margin does not give a mandate for a hard Brexit. Perhaps you should have voted Tory at the last election - the loss of their majority has taken away their ability to force through difficult policies. Instead they have to compromise and seek consensus.

About 500 out of 650 MPs would prefer to oppose Brexit. They may decide for the sake of democracy respect the referendum result, but they are unlikely to back the kind of hard Brexit you desire. I hope you are prepared to be disappointed by the final deal. I am.

Sorry If you think I have short memory loss but didn't the then PM David Cameron say when he announced there was going to be a referendum no matter who wins the vote EVEN BY ONE VOTE the result stands.
Why don't you just accept the result becuse you are becoming very boring.

[JD6]

Originally Posted by LobB

There is no such thing as a "hard brexit". Just in. Or out

Some of the Love Island contestants seem to share your in depth knowledge of the subject. I particularly liked the question at 0:19

I am starting to realise how Brexit happened...

[Tengocity]

Originally Posted by JD6

Some of the Love Island contestants seem to share your in depth knowledge of the subject. I particularly liked the question at 0:19

I am starting to realise how Brexit happened...

I'm realising we are fucked, no matter whether we are in or out, if that representative of normal folk in this country.

[FarmerD]

Originally Posted by JD6

Some of the Love Island contestants seem to share your in depth knowledge of the subject. I particularly liked the question at 0:19

I am starting to realise how Brexit happened...

I’m a remainer and I think there are massive unintended consequences of the leave vote, but it will lead to everything getting properly shaken up over a period of time. Was it worth it? We’ll know in 50yrs time. I may well still be working.

[Tengocity]

Originally Posted by LobB

I can't see the value to me in attempting to resurrect debates which were done to death two years ago, and have no impact of the fact the UK leaves the EU in just over eight months.

Exactly, you've completely forgotten what you're actually so belligerent about.

Let me guess, the meds have made you forget?

[antjos1]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

Exactly, you've completely forgotten what you're actually so belligerent about.

Let me guess, the meds have made you forget?

Don't bite Lobb