[ashpal19]

I have a leased 2016 328i, approx 16k miles. My rear tires are almost bald and need to be replaced. the dealer told me that the tires bmw put on are not covered under warranty by continental. Do you what I can do?

He gave me a new quote for the same tires which have a 40k warranty.

[kern417]

Sometimes if you call the tire manufacturer they will quote you a pro-rated price based on the estimated mileage that you should have gotten out of your existing tires. Call Continental and make your case.

[ashpal19]

The dealer contacted Continental. This is what the dealer said -

"There is no mileage warranty on the original equipment tires. However they still offered you a goodwill credit on the two rear tires of $174.60 towards the replacement tires. that makes your out of pocket $410.04 for the 2 rear tires."

Does that sound correct?

[Billfitz]

Originally Posted by ashpal19

Iwhat I can do?

Have him match the price from tirerack.com, and the road hazard warranty as well. If he won't someone else will.
There is a warranty on the original tires, but it's from the tire manufacturer, not BMW, and short of a tire exploding before you even get off the lot when you buy the car no one ever collects on them. To see how useless it is look at it, you should have got a copy with the rest of your documents.

[kern417]

Originally Posted by ashpal19

The dealer contacted Continental. This is what the dealer said -

"There is no mileage warranty on the original equipment tires. However they still offered you a goodwill credit on the two rear tires of $174.60 towards the replacement tires. that makes your out of pocket $410.04 for the 2 rear tires."

Does that sound correct?

yeah, that's what i'm referring to. they give you a credit for the additional mileage that you "should" have gotten from your original tires. that's about as good as it gets. from my understanding, even the oem warranty won't replace tires for free just because they are worn.

but i agree with the other posters. if you can find cheaper elsewhere then get them to match it.

[BUFFLARS12]

He's right. It's prorated. Check and see if you can get them cheaper then the bmw price without credit

If not, take the credit. Doesn't seem unfair

[Billfitz]

Originally Posted by ashpal19

However they still offered you a goodwill credit on the two rear tires of $174.60 towards the replacement tires. that makes your out of pocket $410.04 for the 2 rear tires."

What a deal! Not:
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...r=Base%20Model

[sspade]

$710 total for this identical set shipped to my door, brand new with road hazard warranty.

Edit: FYI, these tires are from Tire Rack - the most respected online resource for tires.

[Wires]

The issue is OEM tires aren't the same identical tire that you get from tire shops.

They are "specially" designed, missing processes that give you the rated mileage, handling, etc of the actual model. Those are cheaper to make, and is why auto manufacturers get them spec'd in. Name on the sidewall is the same, but they aren't identical to something you'd buy at Tire Rack.

[Sniper101]

The tires that comes one the bmw are a softer rubber than regular tires to maximize comfort and ride quality and minimize road noise most newer cars are doing this to make cars sale better they general only last between 16k to 25k before needing replaced

[Billfitz]

For lack of definitive proof I think we've veered into the urban myth/conspiracy theory lane.

[kern417]

Originally Posted by Billfitz

For lack of definitive proof I think we've veered into the urban myth/conspiracy theory lane.

lol. it is true that manufacturers spec their own tires, though idk about them getting less mileage or whatever. but many tires have several versions that are catered to specific oems.

and yes, you can buy a lot of the spec tires on tire rack. You can see some of them specifically say Mercedes, Audi, etc.
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireS...40&diameter=18

[Billfitz]

What's being claimed is that, as a for instance, the ContiProContact SSR that Tire rack sells as being the OEM tire that came on my car is different than the ContiProContact SSRs that are on my car from the factory. Considering that all of the identifying markings on mine are identical to what they're selling I find that considerably beyond hard to believe, though I am open to changing my mind if I see conclusive proof.

[kern417]

Yeah that's the part that i don't know about. But for example, if you say you need a 245/40/18 ContiProContact tire, all of these come up. They all have different prices, treadwear ratings, load ratings, speed ratings, etc. But if two tires are the same specs but "designed" for different manufacturers, idk why the treadwear or any other aspect would be different.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...m=44HR8CPCXLV2
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...num=44HR8CPCV2
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...rtnum=44HR8CPC
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...num=44VR8CPCXL
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...rtnum=44VR8CPC

[ted99]

If you look at the Pirelli info, you will see that they list a "plus" tire. It is the same size as the OEM tire ie: "Pirelli ScorpionVerde A/S Plus". Pirelli says that these "plus" tires are to their own spec, and not that of any OEM manufacturer. Are they any better? I think you gotta take it on faith, unless one tries both types. However, I think the BMW-spec OEM run flats that have come on my last two cars suck. I suspect that the non-RFT tires that one can order on M cars don't have the same tire life shortcomings. Call me a conspiracy theorist, if you want; but I believe the OEM run flats have lousy tire life and it's a plot to get a new set at our expense on the end of lease turn-ins.

[kern417]

Originally Posted by ted99

Call me a conspiracy theorist, if you want; but I believe the OEM run flats have lousy tire life and it's a plot to get a new set at our expense on the end of lease turn-ins.

the fact that you believe this with no factual evidence or any proof other than you think it could be true, so it must be true, is why many of us will call you a conspiracy theorist.

I'm sure many people on this forum, including myself, have actually worked for OEMs. This is the way it actually works.

Consumers complain about things they notice. It can either be something that they notice frequently, or something that causes a big headache (breakdown, unexpected visit to the dealer, etc.). In this case it's something like:
1. Gas mileage
2. Road noise
3. Drive comfort

So, the OEM improves:
1. Rolling resistance
2. Tread Pattern
3. Tire compound

Meanwhile a majority of new car buyers have no idea about maintenance intervals, so they just replace things when dealers tell them too. Or they buy the appropriate warranty/extended maintenance plan so that it's covered for free. That's why you can scan any parking lot and half of the cars have little to no tread left. They just wait for a dealer or repair shop to tell them it's time, and then they do it.

So the OEM never tries to find a tire with improved treadlife, or they are willing to switch to a tire that has worse tread life by 5% but increases gas mileage by 10% or drive comfort satisfaction by 30%. Because that's what most buyers care about. Not to mention most people that spring for a summer tire are expected to know that it will have worse tread life than an all-season grand touring tire.

Make sense?

[Billfitz]

Originally Posted by kern417

Yeah that's the part that i don't know about. But for example, if you say you need a 245/40/18 ContiProContact tire, all of these come up.

Notice that two of those are labeled as AO Audi, and they're not the same, one being load range XL service 97H 400, the other service 93H 400. As is typical of any OEM part Audi chose those based on their requirements. They may or may not be identical to other Contis. That's not up for debate. What is debatable is if the tire labeled as Audi, or any other brand, OEM sold at retail is the same as the tire installed at the factory. If there's any evidence other than 'this is what I believe' to back up that claim I can't find it.

[kern417]

Originally Posted by Billfitz

Notice that two of those are labeled as AO Audi, and they're not the same, one being load range XL service 97H 400, the other service 93H 400. As is typical of any OEM part Audi chose those based on their requirements. They may or may not be identical to other Contis. That's not up for debate. What is debatable is if the tire labeled as Audi, or any other brand, OEM sold at retail is the same as the tire installed at the factory. If there's any evidence other than 'this is what I believe' to back up that claim I can't find it.

nah we're talking about two different things. i said i don't disagree with you in that aspect.

[Billfitz]

I know you don't disagree, but others do, being under the impression that you can't buy the same tire that came on the car originally, or that OEM tires are inherently inferior. The notion that OEM tires are intended to wear out before lease end, forcing you to buy new tires to the dealer's benefit, is way out there. Do they have special tires hidden away that the dealer puts on the car once they know how long the lease term will be?

[tex2670]

Originally Posted by Wires

The issue is OEM tires aren't the same identical tire that you get from tire shops.

They are "specially" designed, missing processes that give you the rated mileage, handling, etc of the actual model. Those are cheaper to make, and is why auto manufacturers get them spec'd in. Name on the sidewall is the same, but they aren't identical to something you'd buy at Tire Rack.

Huh?

[sspade]

While we are on the topic... which all season tire(s) on the market are expected to last the longest under normal, rotated use?

Im about due for a new set now that my RFT are wearing out...

Im leaning towards a Continental or Michelin tire and need some direction.

[Billfitz]

Look at two specs, the tread wear rating and the tread life warranty.
https://blog.tirerack.com/blog/choos...rating-mean-v1