[Glemm1970]

Originally Posted by Chris@VargasTurboTech

The only one you see not performing is the GC+? Please break this down for us. We have seen multiple 800WHP cars, and many records have fallen to the GC+ all over the world. Not saying you are wrong, but to make such a claim, it has to be backed up...

Two people bought GC + from us. Their results on engine runoff and trance are worse than all on GC! There is no difference up to 28psi, on the contrary, GC is better, as it inflates more easily and faster. It is clear that each turbine has its own strengths, but they still need to be able to implement. In the Russian Federation, no one has yet succeeded.

[kern417]

Originally Posted by Chris@VargasTurboTech

The only one you see not performing is the GC+? Please break this down for us. We have seen multiple 800WHP cars, and many records have fallen to the GC+ all over the world. Not saying you are wrong, but to make such a claim, it has to be backed up...

When I see those 800whp cars breaking records then I'll change my opinion but the fast hybrids are Pure ($$$), DAW (new to market), and the regular GC (value option). My recommendation depends on where the persons budget/concerns land.

[zero.boost]

Originally Posted by blacksapphire440i

No problem. I'm hesitant on getting Pures due to how atrocious it is for you to take off your stock turbos, ship them to Pure, wait god knows how long while your car has no turbo, and then they'll ship it to you. (if im not mistaken, please correct me)

if anyone needs to do the pure core send out, I have a full stock turbo/manifold just chilling.

[vektorprime]

Anyone on here have confirmation as to where Pure, VTT, and DAW turbos are made?

[weehe126]

Originally Posted by vektorprime

Anyone on here have confirmation as to where Pure, VTT, and DAW turbos are made?

Pure are stock turbo cores. VTT and DAW are from the same factory in China.

[blacksapphire440i]

Originally Posted by kern417

It runs strong and is fairly priced. It's that simple.

I would ignore people that talk about companies in general. The B58 has a good track record almost all the turbo options. The only one I see not performing is the GC+, but the regular GC is a nice cost effective option that does well too.

Everything is going on sale in like 2 weeks, so don't pull the trigger just yet.

I've been seeing people not getting their Pure800s after paying months before. From what I see, it's worth going with a Flow Max if you're trying to stay under the power level of 600whp.

[vektorprime]

Call up some local shops who have installed multiple brands and ask for their experiences. Make sure to let them know you won't be buying the turbo through them. That should give you good, real, data. Otherwise, in a forum, you'll only really hear about the BAD experiences.


For me, I can't risk a turbo breaking down. The cost of money and time to do the following is too great: diagnose, take to shop, take back, figure out what to drive in interim, long repair delay, wait for new unit, install new unit

[kern417]

Originally Posted by blacksapphire440i

I've been seeing people not getting their Pure800s after paying months before. From what I see, it's worth going with a Flow Max if you're trying to stay under the power level of 600whp.

Pures have been on and off backorder for a while. But i don't understand why people keep saying the flowmax won't make power. It can easily match what the pure800 does, i.e. up to 650-700whp with supporting mods.

Originally Posted by vektorprime

Call up some local shops who have installed multiple brands and ask for their experiences. Make sure to let them know you won't be buying the turbo through them. That should give you good, real, data. Otherwise, in a forum, you'll only really hear about the BAD experiences.


For me, I can't risk a turbo breaking down. The cost of money and time to do the following is too great: diagnose, take to shop, take back, figure out what to drive in interim, long repair delay, wait for new unit, install new unit

Guess what? All turbo brands have broken in the field or had issues. So one shop's preference isn't any better than feedback from a forum.

I've seen FlowMax wastegates get damaged. I've seen pure wheels come apart. I've seen vargas turbos blow. It's a risk you're taking regardless.

In this case you are accepting the risk. The primary concern should be the company's customer service in case you do have to deal with them. 95% of people don't, but how they handle that 5% is what makes or breaks a company.

[mike082802]

Originally Posted by kern417

Pures have been on and off backorder for a while. But i don't understand why people keep saying the flowmax won't make power. It can easily match what the pure800 does, i.e. up to 650-700whp with supporting mods.



Guess what? All turbo brands have broken in the field or had issues. So one shop's preference isn't any better than feedback from a forum.

I've seen FlowMax wastegates get damaged. I've seen pure wheels come apart. I've seen vargas turbos blow. It's a risk you're taking regardless.

In this case you are accepting the risk. The primary concern should be the company's customer service in case you do have to deal with them. 95% of people don't, but how they handle that 5% is what makes or breaks a company.

wish i would have seen this earlier about DAW. i enquired through a few of the well known tuners as well and 2 of them said the same thing about the wastegate, i figured by now and all the debacles in the n54 world they would have gotten the wastegates right. Sean must have made right quickly as i have not seen anything on the FB b58 page. its tough because if you looked at any of the companies n54 products none really lasted. and looking at Vargas i have only seen 1 failure on the GC due to pushing the turbo way too hard at high DA.

[kern417]

Originally Posted by mike082802

wish i would have seen this earlier about DAW. i enquired through a few of the well known tuners as well and 2 of them said the same thing about the wastegate, i figured by now and all the debacles in the n54 world they would have gotten the wastegates right. Sean must have made right quickly as i have not seen anything on the FB b58 page. its tough because if you looked at any of the companies n54 products none really lasted. and looking at Vargas i have only seen 1 failure on the GC due to pushing the turbo way too hard at high DA.

I've seen failures, fitment issues, etc. from all of them. None of them are perfect.

[Glemm1970]

We have about 10 cars driving the GC. None of them have problems.

[mike082802]

Originally Posted by Glemm1970

We have about 10 cars driving the GC. None of them have problems.

any problems with the Daw?

[Glemm1970]

Originally Posted by mike082802

any problems with the Daw?

C DS2 MHD?

[mike082802]

Originally Posted by Glemm1970

I bought the DAW as soon as it came out. The workmanship is very good. People have been riding them for 5.4s 100-200, which is pretty close to the Pure 800.

i thought you bought one or installed one in a customers car.

[Chris@VargasTurboTech]

Originally Posted by weehe126

Pure are stock turbo cores. VTT and DAW are from the same factory in China.

BAHAHAHAHA. This is classic. Our housings are OUR housings, cast with our logo into them from OUR molds we paid for to own exclusively. We are the ONLY B58 6 port turbine housing with an increased AR size. The DAW manifold is 100% factory AR ratio which means more back pressure, and less flow. They are simply buying off the shelf parts because they either can't afford or do not want to make the effort to have their own parts cast. Our turbine housings are cast by a completely different company than who casts/machines our other turbocharger components, and we assemble out turbos in-house. DAW has been busted dropshipping products from China. These are all facts, the internet never changes. Everyone knows everything, but they are rarely ever correct

[Glemm1970]

Originally Posted by mike082802

i thought you bought one or installed one in a customers car.

I believe there is no difference between GC and DAW up to 28psi. If you put a DAW, then you need to blow 30psi +. And this is the replacement of the intake manifold, the pump in the tank, and of course the HP70. Since it is almost impossible to send HP50 for amplification to the USA from Russia!
I think I already have the fastest F20 X-Drive at 1/4 Dragy on GC.
So I'm not going to install a DAW for myself yet.

[Chris@VargasTurboTech]

Originally Posted by mike082802

wish i would have seen this earlier about DAW. i enquired through a few of the well known tuners as well and 2 of them said the same thing about the wastegate, i figured by now and all the debacles in the n54 world they would have gotten the wastegates right. Sean must have made right quickly as i have not seen anything on the FB b58 page. its tough because if you looked at any of the companies n54 products none really lasted. and looking at Vargas i have only seen 1 failure on the GC due to pushing the turbo way too hard at high DA.

DAW has wastegate issues because they are not doing ANYTHING to their units but putting their label on them and shipping. About a year ago, we started TIG welding EVERY B58 flapper in-house to ensure there would be NO MORE issues. We do this to EVERY single turbo that leaves our facility to ensure trouble-free wastegate operation. We had a few issues with some older ones and made the change to eliminate that problem forever. The guys dropshipping parts are going to continue to have WG flapper issues.

[Chris@VargasTurboTech]

Originally Posted by Glemm1970

I believe there is no difference between GC and DAW up to 28psi. If you put a DAW, then you need to blow 30psi +. And this is the replacement of the intake manifold, the pump in the tank, and of course the HP70. Since it is almost impossible to send HP50 for amplification to the USA from Russia!
I think I already have the fastest F20 X-Drive at 1/4 Dragy on GC.
So I'm not going to install a DAW for myself yet.

As I said, the DAW is factory AR which is tight. We cast our own housings to increase the AR. Our housings are exclusive to us, no one else has access to them. Anyone can contact the factory DAW is using, and order the same turbine housing they sell.

[weehe126]

Originally Posted by Chris@VargasTurboTech

BAHAHAHAHA. This is classic. Our housings are OUR housings, cast with our logo into them from OUR molds we paid for to own exclusively. We are the ONLY B58 6 port turbine housing with an increased AR size. The DAW manifold is 100% factory AR ratio which means more back pressure, and less flow. They are simply buying off the shelf parts because they either can't afford or do not want to make the effort to have their own parts cast. Our turbine housings are cast by a completely different company than who casts/machines our other turbocharger components, and we assemble out turbos in-house. DAW has been busted dropshipping products from China. These are all facts, the internet never changes. Everyone knows everything, but they are rarely ever correct

Go home Tony, stop posting for Chris.

[blacksapphire440i]

Originally Posted by Chris@VargasTurboTech

DAW has wastegate issues because they are not doing ANYTHING to their units but putting their label on them and shipping. About a year ago, we started TIG welding EVERY B58 flapper in-house to ensure there would be NO MORE issues. We do this to EVERY single turbo that leaves our facility to ensure trouble-free wastegate operation. We had a few issues with some older ones and made the change to eliminate that problem forever. The guys dropshipping parts are going to continue to have WG flapper issues.

Does the GC replace the whole turbo or just the compressor side?

[weehe126]

Originally Posted by blacksapphire440i

Does the GC replace the whole turbo or just the compressor side?

Whole turbo.

[G.Newt]

Originally Posted by blacksapphire440i

Does the GC replace the whole turbo or just the compressor side?

GC is compressor side and bearing housing only. GC+ upgrades both.