[Vegetable]

Originally Posted by 440xiGCMsport

Sounds like both of you haven't driven a 340i yet. We aren't even talking about a 340i with MPPk yet but all i can say is a stock 340i feels much faster than a 335i with mppk. Before you guys speculate you should go test drive one first. Most people that have notice a significant difference.

Some of you guys with the 340i need to get to go make a video with a race with 335i mppk to see what the difference is due to the elimination of lag.

"much faster than a 335i with MPPK" are you high or just making shit up.. if high . I have driven a 340i and it feels about the same as my 435i with MPPK, perhaps a tad slower, but it was new car so who knows . I certainly wouldn't even say it felt faster much less "much faster." Seems like you are just trying to justify your purchase/wait time of your 2017 GC.

[buckybadger]

Originally Posted by 440xiGCMsport

Sounds like both of you haven't driven a 340i yet. We aren't even talking about a 340i with MPPk yet but all i can say is a stock 340i feels much faster than a 335i with mppk. Before you guys speculate you should go test drive one first. Most people that have notice a significant difference.

Some of you guys with the 340i need to get to go make a video with a race with 335i mppk to see what the difference is due to the elimination of lag.

I am not trying to undermine the 340i. I was referring to an objective comparison rather than "feels faster". The 340i may feel faster for sure but is it that fast in real world compared to a stock 335i?

Additionally, the 335i engine is so refined and smooth that the driver does not even feel the pull of the car but if you look down you might be doing 70-80 mph.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t-drive-review

"The steering, for its part, wasn’t detailed any more beyond BMW saying it was more “refined,” and without a 335i on hand for comparison, it was difficult to tell if there was any substantial improvement, and the steering alterations seem to be little more than incremental. But the 340i comes across as eager to play, and the steering feels precise and responsive, if a bit too heavy."

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ve-test-review

"This all-wheel-drive xDrive model needed just 4.6 seconds to complete the zero-to-60-mph sprint"

[N55Nick]

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ve-test-review

"This all-wheel-drive xDrive model needed just 4.6 seconds to complete the zero-to-60-mph sprint"[/QUOTE]

435 xDrive without MPPK is 4.7

[buckybadger]

Originally Posted by N55Nick

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ve-test-review

"This all-wheel-drive xDrive model needed just 4.6 seconds to complete the zero-to-60-mph sprint"

435 xDrive without MPPK is 4.7[/QUOTE]

I posted the same link

[440xiGCMsport]

Originally Posted by Vegetable

"much faster than a 335i with MPPK" are you high or just making shit up.. if high . I have driven a 340i and it feels about the same as my 435i with MPPK, perhaps a tad slower, but it was new car so who knows . I certainly wouldn't even say it felt faster much less "much faster." Seems like you are just trying to justify your purchase/wait time of your 2017 GC.

lol saying I am justifying the wait would be like me saying you are defending your 335 mppk. This is my opinion and if you do a search many who have owned and then bought the 340i have said the same.
you think BMW likes putting out a new engine for the sake of it? I said it FEELS much faster. This could be due to lower lag and pulling higher to the redline.
The hp and torque given by the manufacturers are similiar between the 335 mppk and the 340i. The difference is Bmw improved the breathing to eliminate the turbo lag and pull all the way to redline. So tell me how you think your 335 mppk will run faster. simply it won't. the elimination of lag and pulling to redline makes this car FEEL faster and be faster.

[440xiGCMsport]

Originally Posted by deznium

I am not trying to undermine the 340i. I was referring to an objective comparison rather than "feels faster". The 340i may feel faster for sure but is it that fast in real world compared to a stock 335i?

Additionally, the 335i engine is so refined and smooth that the driver does not even feel the pull of the car but if you look down you might be doing 70-80 mph.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t-drive-review

"The steering, for its part, wasn’t detailed any more beyond BMW saying it was more “refined,” and without a 335i on hand for comparison, it was difficult to tell if there was any substantial improvement, and the steering alterations seem to be little more than incremental. But the 340i comes across as eager to play, and the steering feels precise and responsive, if a bit too heavy."

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ve-test-review

"This all-wheel-drive xDrive model needed just 4.6 seconds to complete the zero-to-60-mph sprint"

The main difference is wot the 340i has absolutely no lag. It was fairly similiar to the supercharged s4 I had. the 335 had turbo lag. this does make a difference in everyday driving. this also makes it feel faster. on the drag strip this lag would make a difference if you raced a 335 with a 340.
I am not saying the 335 is junk or anything like that just saying that BMW has done it's homework improving upon the award winning n55 engine.

[Vegetable]

Originally Posted by 440xiGCMsport

lol saying I am justifying the wait would be like me saying you are defending your 335 mppk. This is my opinion and if you do a search many who have owned and then bought the 340i have said the same.
you think BMW likes putting out a new engine for the sake of it? I said it FEELS much faster. This could be due to lower lag and pulling higher to the redline.
The hp and torque given by the manufacturers are similiar between the 335 mppk and the 340i. The difference is Bmw improved the breathing to eliminate the turbo lag and pull all the way to redline. So tell me how you think your 335 mppk will run faster. simply it won't. the elimination of lag and pulling to redline makes this car FEEL faster and be faster.

I don't have a 335i.. But as a 435i owner with MPPK I can very safely say that after driving a 340i I would be absolutely neck and neck if not ahead of the stock 340i to 100 MPH. I love the 340 and my next car in 3 years will be either a 440i or M4, but to say the 340i is "much faster" than a 335i with MPPK or 435i with MPPK is f-ing ridiculous. You know it, I know it.. accept it.. Enjoy your 440i when it comes... in 4 months

[440xiGCMsport]

Originally Posted by Vegetable

I don't have a 335i.. But as a 435i owner with MPPK I can very safely say that after driving a 340i I would be absolutely neck and neck if not ahead of the stock 340i to 100 MPH. I love the 340 and my next car in 3 years will be either a 440i or M4, but to say the 340i is "much faster" than a 335i with MPPK or 435i with MPPK is f-ing ridiculous. You know it, I know it.. accept it.. Enjoy your 440i when it comes... in 4 months

I said "FEELS much faster." I also told you why it feels much faster.
I also told you why it is faster even the numbers are similiar yet you want to through all the numbers and BMW engineering out the window and still say your 435 is faster. lol
You need to learn to comprehend.

[BimmerLOVER1234]

Reading comprehension fail. The others here are obviously saying that the b58 engine is superior in feel, turbo lag etc. Not to mention it continues to pull great past 6500rpm where the n55 loses steam. It is the newer better engine after-all. Nothing to do with just 0-100. Such is life and such is progression of technology. I'm waiting for the B58 myself in the m240i or M2. Hell of an impressive engine and a clear improvement over the n55.

[BEAR-AvHistory]

The 440 is on my list as is the M2 for a 435mppk/mpe replacement. There is also a StingRay Grand Sport lurking in my brain should the wife buy off on it.

A few more rides in my daughters 911 might convince her an additional sport car is not such a bad plan.

If I go BMW would like the new car to be quicker but "feel" is a bad way to make that judgement. As simple adjustment to throttle tip-in can make a car "feel" faster.

Would like to see a 335/435 mppk/mpe time slips against a 440 & 440MPK when its released. My 435 is done next June so there is plenty of time to see the real numbers as I will most likely be ordering an 2018.

[Blubaron79]

This post reminds me of the old e90 forums where everyone argued over the N54 v the N55... Ha

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by Spiff7

I appreciate all of your responses. While I am a little surprised to hear the 340i pulls harder than a 335i with PPK, I've also very pleased to hear this.

I was expecting to hear the 340i did not feel as strong/powerful/aggressive.

I'm now looking forward to testing driving one myself.

I can't offer a comparison of the 335i w/ppk to 340i.
However, I can offer that my stock 335i had great power and the N55 is a great engine.
My 340i is noticeably more powerful and it pulls strong across a wider RPM band, and doesn't feel like it's running out of breath all the way to red line.
The N55 does start to drop it's sizzle well before red line as you know.

I'm not too surprised about the tune comparison because manufacturer tunes tend to be modest gains. The B58 is a whole new engine with more power built in, and it gives back what low rpm turbos took away, which was the power ride all the way to red line. The B58 brought that back.

Whereas the N55 felt electric motor strong, the B58 has the same strength but brings in more turbo gas engine feel. The power has a bit of "swell" as the rpm's rise, and I like that. Gives the engine more character.

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by Blubaron79

This post reminds me of the old e90 forums where everyone argued over the N54 v the N55... Ha

The difference in power and delivery was much more subtle between the N54 and N55 imo.

The difference between the N55 and B58 is not that subtle, it's pretty distinct.

[440xiGCMsport]

Originally Posted by RPM90

The difference in power and delivery was much more subtle between the N54 and N55 imo.

The difference between the N55 and B58 is not that subtle, it's pretty distinct.

+1 took the words right out of my mouth.
Totally agree with you.

[lens]

Originally Posted by RPM90

I can't offer a comparison of the 335i w/ppk to 340i.
However, I can offer that my stock 335i had great power and the N55 is a great engine.
My 340i is noticeably more powerful and it pulls strong across a wider RPM band, and doesn't feel like it's running out of breath all the way to red line.
The N55 does start to drop it's sizzle well before red line as you know.

I'm not too surprised about the tune comparison because manufacturer tunes tend to be modest gains. The B58 is a whole new engine with more power built in, and it gives back what low rpm turbos took away, which was the power ride all the way to red line. The B58 brought that back.

Whereas the N55 felt electric motor strong, the B58 has the same strength but brings in more turbo gas engine feel. The power has a bit of "swell" as the rpm's rise, and I like that. Gives the engine more character.

Well they did increase the turbo size apparently by 10% so that's one of the reasons it's better, not to mention air to liquid cooling.

[buckybadger]

In real world driving going from 0-60 MPH or just simply driving in streets will be hardly noticeable. In fact when I moved from a 328i to 335i I hardly felt any difference in day-to-day driving. BUT you do feel it when you push the car.... Here is a more objective comparison. A "feel" type of a comparison is very personal.

340i is slightly more heavier in this comparison:
http://www.capital-bmw.com/compare-2...-bmw-335i.html

B58 Vs. N55:
http://youwheel.com/home/2016/03/27/...linder-engine/
http://www.bimmerfest.com/news/87246...ents-from-n55/

[lens]

Originally Posted by deznium

In real world driving going from 0-60 MPH or just simply driving in streets will be hardly noticeable. In fact when I moved from a 328i to 335i I hardly felt any difference in day-to-day driving. BUT you do feel it when you push the car.... Here is a more objective comparison. A "feel" type of a comparison is very personal.

340i is slightly more heavier in this comparison:
http://www.capital-bmw.com/compare-2...-bmw-335i.html

B58 Vs. N55:
http://youwheel.com/home/2016/03/27/...linder-engine/
http://www.bimmerfest.com/news/87246...ents-from-n55/

I felt a huge difference going from a 328i to 335i on the streets. From the engine to suspension to even exhaust. The 335i just threw me into my seat where I didn't even budge with the 328i.

[440xiGCMsport]

Originally Posted by deznium

In real world driving going from 0-60 MPH or just simply driving in streets will be hardly noticeable. In fact when I moved from a 328i to 335i I hardly felt any difference in day-to-day driving. BUT you do feel it when you push the car.... Here is a more objective comparison. A "feel" type of a comparison is very personal.

340i is slightly more heavier in this comparison:
http://www.capital-bmw.com/compare-2...-bmw-335i.html

B58 Vs. N55:
http://youwheel.com/home/2016/03/27/...linder-engine/
http://www.bimmerfest.com/news/87246...ents-from-n55/

thanks for the link on the engine. Interesting read.
if you are stuck in a traffic jam than yes you won't feel the difference. If you can't feel the difference when not stuck in a traffic jam than your but dyno needs a recalibration. The 328 feels slower significantly than the 335i.

[Versipellis]

Originally Posted by 440xiGCMsport

thanks for the link on the engine. Interesting read.
if you are stuck in a traffic jam than yes you won't feel the difference. If you can't feel the difference when not stuck in a traffic jam than your but dyno needs a recalibration. The 328 feels slower significantly than the 335i.

Agreed.

In an E90 328 and you can really feel how weak it is at lower RPMs - my brother's 335 would kick me back into my seat from a stand-still.

[cmplaya]

b58+mppsk or jb4=many crushed seats

[Herakles]

I had a 340i loaner- Xdrive for almost 4 days.

I own a 2011 335 Xdrive msport. The 340 felt insanely faster. What a beast. I was so damn impressed by it.

Initially though, when i first pulled off the dealer lot i chuckled with disrespect feeling the steering wheel. Eventusally i got use to the steering and really enjoyed the car.

[Blubaron79]

Originally Posted by Herakles

I had a 340i loaner- Xdrive for almost 4 days.

I own a 2011 335 Xdrive msport. The 340 felt insanely faster. What a beast. I was so damn impressed by it.

Initially though, when i first pulled off the dealer lot i chuckled with disrespect feeling the steering wheel. Eventusally i got use to the steering and really enjoyed the car.

Because you have an E90. The transmission updates alone in the F3x series makes it faster.