[rosstin]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

I belong to the camp that believers there's a significant difference in throttle mapping. Otherwise you could just do that in sport mode.

Definitely same throttle mapping in sport and sport+ pal.

A user on the uk site with more time than me made this table

[bimmer456]

He made this table or it came from BMW? Other users have a contrary view. Wouldn't make sense to have a sport + mode if you can just turn off traction control in sport to have the same effect.

[rosstin]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

He made this table or it came from BMW? Other users have a contrary view. Wouldn't make sense to have a sport + mode if you can just turn off traction control in sport to have the same effect.

The table backs up what I said. It came from a user not bmw

Anyway you're letting the side down a bit here mate Traction control and throttle mapping two different things

[xlover]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

He made this table or it came from BMW? Other users have a contrary view. Wouldn't make sense to have a sport + mode if you can just turn off traction control in sport to have the same effect.

Trying to piece together the story it would seem sport+ takes the throttle and shift settings of sport and relaxes the traction and stability control to allow for more yaw and wheel slip with some nannying retained not full off.

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by xlover

Trying to piece together the story it would seem sport+ takes the throttle and shift settings of sport and relaxes the traction and stability control to allow for more yaw and wheel slip with some nannying retained not full off.

You can do the same thing with sport and turning "off" traction control. It's still on partway or you can turn it off completely.

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by rosstin

The table backs up what I said. It came from a user not bmw

Anyway you're letting the side down a bit here mate Traction control and throttle mapping two different things

Yes but unfortunately they're linked. If you want the sportiest throttle response you get less traction control. I don't see why this has to be the case as like you said they're two separate systems.

[rosstin]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

Yes but unfortunately they're linked. If you want the sportiest throttle response you get less traction control. I don't see why this has to be the case as like you said they're two separate systems.

Okay original question was about throttle mapping.. it's the same in sport and sport+

I don't agree that throttle mapping and traction control are linked. Neither does the table; it shows you can have 'sensitive' mapping in both sport (with traction control) or sport+ (with reduced traction control, i.e. DTC on).

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by rosstin

Okay original question was about throttle mapping.. it's the same in sport and sport+

I don't agree that throttle mapping and traction control are linked. Neither does the table; it shows you can have 'sensitive' mapping in both sport (with traction control) or sport+ (with reduced traction control, i.e. DTC on).

Every car I've driven (BMW) it's more sensitive in Sport + regardless of what any chart says. I've said in other threads we even had disagreements at BMW Meets in person with myself and others saying it was more sensitive and other people saying its the same. What would be the use case scenario for sport + if there's no difference? Just use sport and DTC then!

[xlover]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

You can do the same thing with sport and turning "off" traction control. It's still on partway or you can turn it off completely.

traction control (which manages wheel slip from overspin) and stability control which will selectively brake and slow the vehicle to return the vehicle to its intended line are two different systems. turning one off only removes the paremeters from that system vs relaxing them overall

[rosstin]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

What would be the use case scenario for sport + if there's no difference? Just use sport and DTC then!

Sport and DTC doesn't exist.

Try it by pressing the 'Traction' button in your car, it will move you into Comfort mode.

I hate to say it, but the table tells you this too

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by rosstin

Sport and DTC doesn't exist.

Try it by pressing the 'Traction' button in your car, it will move you into Comfort mode.

I hate to say it, but the table tells you this too

I've done it before in my car, putting it in sport and then DTC. I don't care what the table says.

[rosstin]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

I've done it before in my car, putting it in sport and then DTC. I don't care what the table says.

Haha. Okay, how exactly do you do it?

[rosstin]

Actually, I'm OUT.

Good luck arguing this one at your next meet..

[bimmer456]

You press the traction control button while in sport not that hard. Not sure why people get so upset about this lol.

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by rosstin

Actually, I'm OUT.

Good luck arguing this one at your next meet..

I can just demonstrate for the them along with the other guy who said the same thing.

[Big Nodge]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

You press the traction control button while in sport not that hard. Not sure why people get so upset about this lol.

It's not hard, but it puts the throttle and steering settings back to comfort as the table suggests. I tired it literally 20 minutes ago on the way back from work. 2016 340i. It's very obvious when the steering goes back to comfort. The logic makes sense, BMW wants you to have to do the sport+ double tap to get sport throttle response with relaxed traction control. So they are sure you really mean it.

It's possible that your car is a special snowflake that behaves differently than all the other F30s on the board. But it's very unlikely, and frankly you have blown most of your credibility on the issue.

[xlover]

Back on topic question
for MPPSK, not the std exhaust flap behavior: If you put the car in sport immediately after cold or warm start, do the valves just open as soon as the car is ready or do you have to cycle back to comfort then sport again and again?

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by Big Nodge

It's not hard, but it puts the throttle and steering settings back to comfort as the table suggests. I tired it literally 20 minutes ago on the way back from work. 2016 340i. It's very obvious when the steering goes back to comfort. The logic makes sense, BMW wants you to have to do the sport+ double tap to get sport throttle response with relaxed traction control. So they are sure you really mean it.

It's possible that your car is a special snowflake that behaves differently than all the other F30s on the board. But it's very unlikely, and frankly you have blown most of your credibility on the issue.

I will try it now when I leave but I'm pretty sure I've done it before. The double tap thing is true because it doesn't let you turn on traction control. I haven't blown my credibility at all you can see on other posts on other threads folks agreeing with me, it's just that the no difference crowd is so aggressive about insisting they're right on the issue. As I said earlier you're entitled to believe whatever you want on the issue, but the no difference crowd keeps insisting "no you must believe us no matter what" lol...just ridiculous!

[Beek]

Originally Posted by xlover

Back on topic question
for MPPSK, not the std exhaust flap behavior: If you put the car in sport immediately after cold or warm start, do the valves just open as soon as the car is ready or do you have to cycle back to comfort then sport again and again?

Yes, the valves will open in about two minutes although sometimes, maybe 5% of the time it seems to take some throttle input to make it happen.

[BMW11]

Originally Posted by rosstin

Definitely same throttle mapping in sport and sport+ pal.

A user on the uk site with more time than me made this table

Is this chart for the 2014 335i mppk only? does it apply to the B58 340i mppk also...?

[autopal]

Back on topic, for those people who have driven both, would you say the sound of the 340i with MPPSK is superior to the M3? If yes, why is that?

[monkiboy]

Originally Posted by autopal

Back on topic, for those people who have driven both, would you say the sound of the 340i with MPPSK is superior to the M3? If yes, why is that?

I've done that comparison a few times. and the 340 with MPPSK is definitely better sounding by a large margin in terms of tone, growl, throaty-ness, the m3 is higher pitched and sounds a bit tinny at times no deep sustained growl. the m3 sounds apologetic and the 340 just let's you know how it is and says goodbye.