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      11-04-2015, 12:54 PM   #331
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I bet a few finance companies / VW finance are a little concerned with PCP's and GFV of VAG cars.

A number of PCP's would have been based on that ironclad VAG used car price.

So say pre scandal, a pretty much certain value of say £16k.

That 'could' be sitting at say £14k with limited chance of selling used at usual price.
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      11-04-2015, 03:26 PM   #332
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GFV of VWs just took a nosedive.
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      11-05-2015, 02:20 AM   #333
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GFV of VWs just took a nosedive.
Have PCP quotes gone sky high as a result then? I'm surprised they aren't just bankrolling that to keep sales up? They seem to be on leases.

Start making them expensive to buy, slows down sales which compounds fears in the public and values plummet
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      11-05-2015, 01:30 PM   #334
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Lamborghini is the latest VW Group company to hit trouble this week as independent tests showed that its cars fail to meet official figures for the amount of girls they can attract.

http://sniffpetrol.com/2015/11/04/la...d-by-lady-lies

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Looks like there is Trouble at the 'Mill'

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/1...0SY1V020151109
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Looks like there is Trouble at the 'Mill'

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/1...0SY1V020151109
I wonder when the sweet spot will be to buy or lease a VAG?

Golf TDI lease deals now down to £67 plus VAT!

They will be giving them away soon!

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The repercussions will rumble on for a long time yet. Lots of good people will be working under very stressful conditions and I'm sure plenty will look for jobs and an easier life at other companies, and who in their right mind would join VW in these circumstances? The potential impact of brain drain and loss of talent will hit the organisation over a number of years.
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The repercussions will rumble on for a long time yet. Lots of good people will be working under very stressful conditions and I'm sure plenty will look for jobs and an easier life at other companies, and who in their right mind would join VW in these circumstances? The potential impact of brain drain and loss of talent will hit the organisation over a number of years.
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The thing I don't really understand is - why do they need a recall? It's not like they're going to magically replace the engine with one that does the claimed mpg/emissions. Just wasting money for no real benefit. No point removing the cheating software really either, as it probably doesn't affect daily driving anyway.

Figure out the real mpg and then compensate users for likely increased fuel costs and running costs (discount maintenance as VAG dealers for affected cars)
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      11-10-2015, 03:37 AM   #340
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The thing I don't really understand is - why do they need a recall? It's not like they're going to magically replace the engine with one that does the claimed mpg/emissions. Just wasting money for no real benefit. No point removing the cheating software really either, as it probably doesn't affect daily driving anyway.

Figure out the real mpg and then compensate users for likely increased fuel costs and running costs (discount maintenance as VAG dealers for affected cars)
Don't forget there is a bigger issue here than mpg and CO2 emissions, the original issue is using a defeat device to get through the NEDC/EPA tests illegally.

Any engine and/or model which used a defeat device to get the NOx levels to comply with the NEDC test (EURO 5 or 6) will be retested and must pass relevant the test. (Same in the US). Any changes to software or hardware, (injectors, exhaust treatment, etc.), must be retrofitted to comply with current regulations. To be blunt here, cars which don't comply shouldn't really be on the road, as they wouldn't have got on the road without the relevant NEDC/EPA compliance.

How VW compensate users, if engine performance and or mpg is compromised once the engines meet the relevant Euro and EPA standards, that is a different issue than complying with EU/EPA regulations for selling cars legally or illegally.

I don't see VW having any alternative than get every vehicle type that has suspect compliance through the relevant regulatory tests, then retrofit the remedial solution(s) to every vehicle which is affected.

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The thing I don't really understand is - why do they need a recall? It's not like they're going to magically replace the engine with one that does the claimed mpg/emissions. Just wasting money for no real benefit. No point removing the cheating software really either, as it probably doesn't affect daily driving anyway.

Figure out the real mpg and then compensate users for likely increased fuel costs and running costs (discount maintenance as VAG dealers for affected cars)
You really don't understand the need for a recall?

Basically (as Pete said, it's the use of device to pass an official test).

This also may have an impact on the whole car tax system in certain countries.


How would you feel if your say washing machine or heating system, when tested by an official test house passed only because the manufacture cheated.

So your heating system, that should give excellent economy, now costs more annually than a standard system?

Would you just go, oh well they cheated, I don't care....
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You really don't understand the need for a recall?

Basically (as Pete said, it's the use of device to pass an official test).

This also may have an impact on the whole car tax system in certain countries.


How would you feel if your say washing machine or heating system, when tested by an official test house passed only because the manufacture cheated.

So your heating system, that should give excellent economy, now costs more annually than a standard system?

Would you just go, oh well they cheated, I don't care....
No.

Like I said, end users should be properly compensated for any difference between stated performance and actual tested performance. In your washing machine example I'd want a refund of extra electricity needed.

I just don't see the point of an expensive recall. Fix cars moving forward and existing cars at due service intervals perhaps.
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No.

Like I said, end users should be properly compensated for any difference between stated performance and actual tested performance. In your washing machine example I'd want a refund of extra electricity needed.

I just don't see the point of an expensive recall. Fix cars moving forward and existing cars at due service intervals perhaps.
It does not work like that though.

With every company covered by say CE, if there is found to be an issue, then it must be fixed or product removed from market.

So in this case VW (or any manufacture) must detail a major recall and / or cease sale of the product.

Also if individuals do not comply, they should be fined / MOT revoked.

If a company do not want expensive recalls, carry out decent product testing, use good suppliers, keep control of specific suppliers and above all don't cheat or get caught cheating a governing body.
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Do the "cheat devices" cheat an MOT emissions test? If so I can see an immediate need for a recall.
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Do the "cheat devices" cheat an MOT emissions test? If so I can see an immediate need for a recall.
The MOT emissions check for diesel is a weak link in the test, other wise no one would be able to get a car through the test with a gutted DPF.

That is one of the problems with diesel, once a model gets type approval, there isn't really a proper spot check on emissions across a working engine range.
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Looks like the 3.0 engines are also affected

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/in...s-are-affected
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      11-22-2015, 10:45 AM   #347
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Looks like the 3.0 engines are also affected

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/in...s-are-affected
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This is lying about cheating.

They were asked if that was all the cars.

The provided a list.

Now it transpires, Porsche engines effected, 3.0 engines, effects petrol.

It's probably easier to say Volkswagon Audi etc are a bunch of lying cnuts.

Insurance companies will have slashed expected payouts on this.

The banks had toxic dept, now car owners have toxic VAG cars.
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