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As for Farage, he doesn't want Brexit to be implemented, never has and never will. Brexit will make him redundant, left without a job, without a position and without relevance. He is utterly transparent, and yet people continue to support him. Staggering how stupid some folk can be.
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I don't really accept the bit about people not being entitled to vote in 2016 either. The referendum in 1975 - which confirmed our place in the Common Market - wasn't voted on by tens of millions of people who had to accept the consequences for the subsequent 40 plus years. As I've said many times, I'm not especially keen on government by referendum but if you hold one on a particular issue IMO you can't run around having re-runs every few years because the electorate has changed and the current make-up and demographic might give you a different result. In terms of timing from where we are now, I'm hoping the GE will break the log-jam one way or the other; if the Conservatives win we'll be going with (probably) BJ's deal on 31st January but if they don't then I think you may well get the additional referendum you're after by the middle of next year. If the eventual outcome of that is we end-up revoking A50 and staying in the EU then personally I think it will have done damage to our democratic system because it will in effect have ignored the view expressed in the 2016 referendum; however, as a democrat I would respect the result and move on. Whether all leavers would be similarly philosophical I don't know - I'd hope so but wouldn't bet on it. Quote:
The Johnson deal - while still not perfect - removes the backstop and appeared to have majority support in Parliament even though his proposed timetable for getting it through didn't. You obviously think BJ's deal is worse than TM's but personally I don't agree; neither are great but the removal of the backstop is an important and significant difference IMO. On the wider point, our House of Commons has a significant majority in favour of Remain and it's been clear that's been used repeatedly to frustrate the Brexit process. Just look at how the speaker - a known Remainer - has exercised his power in unconventional ways on more than one occasion (always to the benefit of Remain) and how that was then exploited by Remain MP's like Grieve, Letwin, Benn, et al. And all this coming from the very group of people who voted to grant the referendum in the first place and were (mostly) re-elected in 2017 on a platform of respecting the outcome.... |
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On that we can probably agree - ordinarily we govern via a representative democracy in the UK and the 2016 referendum has probably served to remind us all why we do it that way!
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Moody's ratings would not be my chosen specialist subject on Mastermind. This, however, cannot be spun as positive news, even by the most rampant Brexiter.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50361025
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There must be quite a few Brexit Party members wandering around this morning feeling like they've been shat on from a great height. What did they expect? Farage is a conman. Hello?!
My heart bleeds for them
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Farage attempting to hold the country to ransom has back fired, however he probably doesn't care so long as he gets his column inches and interviews on the TV to boost his profile etc...
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And the rest. One can never underestimate the -ve impact which this man has had on the trajectory of UK politics, going back to the inception of UKIP. In terms of outcomes, he makes Orban, Le Pen, Salvini et al look quite ineffectual by comparison.
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Automotive production in the U.K in a slump at the moment, and even Nissan have reduced production. Not sure the current global environment, even without Brexit, is going to help that much. Anyone think the EU is prioritising trade talks with the UK right now? |
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Yeah well it’s not bothering me, our work is bat shit crazy currently! Just feel for those who will be negatively impacted by all of these.
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It's just Coronavirus is giving us something new to argue about, and something new to be cocked up by someone in government.
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"Oven-ready" trade deal, according to that lazy prick in No. 10
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