[mikeoz]

Well we have had another terror attack during an election period, seems to be a trend there..

But i would like to commend the members of the public who tackled this idiot allowing Police the time to get there and naturalise this attacker.

Also the Police involved who at the time had no idea if his hoax device was real or not and if any of these arm chair juries that will be on at 10pm think they should of done this or that and think they could of done better then i suggest they sign up and have a go..

Well done to all involved..

Sadly seems like 2 people were also killed..


https://news.sky.com/story/police-de...fired-11873505

[Broncho]

Well done to the public and the Bib, sends a message, fuck around and get capped.

Twat.

[Watsey]

The knife that one of the members of the public pulled off him was huge. A proper carving knife of a blade.

A dreadful start to Christmas for the affected families.

The mentality of wearing a bomb vest, especially a hoax, is staggering. That's a death wish, which he got.

[mikeoz]

Originally Posted by Watsey

The knife that one of the members of the public pulled off him was huge. A proper carving knife of a blade.

A dreadful start to Christmas for the affected families.

The mentality of wearing a bomb vest, especially a hoax, is staggering. That's a death wish, which he got.

Yeah was massive...The mentality is they want to be killed and martyred...dont forget 76 virgins await.

[Lincoln61]

Amazing bravery from the folk that tackled him......I don't think I would have had shown such courage.

[Broncho]

Originally Posted by mikeoz

Yeah was massive...The mentality is they want to be killed and martyred...dont forget 76 virgins await.

Hilarious if they’re all Nuns.

[mikeoz]

Originally Posted by Lincoln61

Amazing bravery from the folk that tackled him......I don't think I would have had shown such courage.

Absolutely give them a medal..

[isleaiw1]

Originally Posted by mikeoz

Yeah was massive...The mentality is they want to be killed and martyred...dont forget 76 virgins await.

There is a slight assumption in that as I am not sure any party has claimed responsibility yet...

[Wills2]

Brave from the guys that tackled him, well done them, Police did what needed to be done.

[AntF32]

Just caught an update on ITV and noticed a familiar face. One of the guys (Thomas Gray) who challenged and wrestled the terrorist to the ground is the son of a friend.

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by isleaiw1

There is a slight assumption in that as I am not sure any party has claimed responsibility yet...

Being reported the offender was an IS supporter who was known to the authorities and tagged....

[isleaiw1]

Originally Posted by JNW1

Being reported the offender was an IS supporter who was known to the authorities and tagged....

Not at 9.28, it wasn’t. And fact they are tagged perhaps raises more questions about the legal system than his beliefs...

London is a fantastic multi cultural society, I would rather the focus was on their criminality and not their faith..

[mikeoz]

He's an Ex Con..it's now being reported. Just out from serving a Terror offence. Hence useless tag

[Scoobyd]

Originally Posted by isleaiw1

Not at 9.28, it wasn’t. And fact they are tagged perhaps raises more questions about the legal system than his beliefs...

London is a fantastic multi cultural society, I would rather the focus was on their criminality and not their faith..

But it wasn't your normal act of criminality to be fair, and we shouldn't be afraid of saying it. It was an act of terrorism from a man who had previously been convicted of an 'Islamist terrorism related offence'.

He was in London at a conference on prisoner rehabilitation (ironic) and threatened to blow up Fishmongers Hall before stabbing people, killing two. He had two knives taped to his hands, a gun in a bag and what turned out to be a fake explosive belt around his waist.

London is indeed a fantastic multi cultural city and I love it for it. This guy was a criminal, but his warped, ideological understanding of his faith clearly took him down this path.

[antjos1]

Originally Posted by mikeoz

Well we have had another terror attack during an election period, seems to be a trend there..

But i would like to commend the members of the public who tackled this idiot allowing Police the time to get there and naturalise this attacker.

Also the Police involved who at the time had no idea if his hoax device was real or not and if any of these arm chair juries that will be on at 10pm think they should of done this or that and think they could of done better then i suggest they sign up and have a go..

Well done to all involved..

Sadly seems like 2 people were also killed..


https://news.sky.com/story/police-de...fired-11873505

Spot on mate.

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by isleaiw1

Not at 9.28, it wasn’t.

My post was meant to be an update so apologies if it came across as a correction!

Originally Posted by isleaiw1

London is a fantastic multi cultural society, I would rather the focus was on their criminality and not their faith..

But it seems to be the faith - albeit an extreme and perhaps distorted view of it - that drives the criminality with these people....

[Apples12]

Originally Posted by JNW1

My post was meant to be an update so apologies if it came across as a correction!



But it seems to be the faith - albeit an extreme and perhaps distorted view of it - that drives the criminality with these people....

An extreme and distorted view of anything can lead to horrific acts

One of the core tenets of Islam is that if you kill one person it is as though you have killed the whole of mankind, if you save one life it is as though you have saved the whole of mankind.

He had a distorted view of 'faith' one which in fact removes him from the fold of Islam as far as I'm aware and he paid the ultimate price.

No 70 virgins waiting for him in hell.

Well done to the police officers for responding appropriately and hats off the gentleman who tackled him.

Heart goes out to the affected individuals.

[mikeoz]

I think it this will open up a wider debate in public and with Politicians on why are we releasing terrorists half way though the sentence...and the sentence given on appeal was way to short in first place. This guy was deemed so dangerous by the original Judge that he gave a IPP sentence which is effectively a Life sentence and YOU have to prove that you are no longer a risk to the public before any chance of Parole etc..he appealed and won a big reduction and no IPP...??


We seem to be treating these guys like normal prisoners when they are far from it with there twisted views of faith.
Its an open secret that we have wide scale radicalisation going on behind bars and people are coming out more radical than before with little being done about.

[Apples12]

Originally Posted by mikeoz

I think it this will open up a wider debate in public and with Politicians on why are we releasing terrorists half way though the sentence...and the sentence given on appeal was way to short in first place.
We seem to be treating these guys like normal prisoners when they are far from it with there twisted views of faith.
Its an open secret that we have wide scale radicalisation going on behind bars and people are coming out more radical than before with little being done about.

No point locking them up if there's no program of reform.

Don't show a change in thought process, don't get out in my opinion

[mikeoz]

Originally Posted by Scoobyd

But it wasn't your normal act of criminality to be fair, and we shouldn't be afraid of saying it. It was an act of terrorism from a man who had previously been convicted of an 'Islamist terrorism related offence'.

He was in London at a conference on prisoner rehabilitation (ironic) and threatened to blow up Fishmongers Hall before stabbing people, killing two. He had two knives taped to his hands, a gun in a bag and what turned out to be a fake explosive belt around his waist.

London is indeed a fantastic multi cultural city and I love it for it. This guy was a criminal, but his warped, ideological understanding of his faith clearly took him down this path.

Agree with your comments .

I think what will come out in the investigation is, that i am guessing now that he would of had to get permission to attend that conference given he was in Stafford and on Tag. I suspect his Offender Manager will have given permission thinking wow hes trying to change himself by going to this Rehab conf. This would have enabled him to get there and he clearly planned it and not spontaneous given his fake belt etc.

[mikeoz]

Originally Posted by Apples12

No point locking them up if there's no program of reform.

Don't show a change in thought process, don't get out in my opinion

I heard a comparrison this morning on Sky which was spot on..

So Richard Reed the "Shoe Bomber" who was overpowered by passengers and failed was sentenced in the US as the plane landed there. He was given 100yrs, hes not coming out. We have guys that have done similar plots that are getting 5,10 or 15 yrs and coming out more radical....very simple jail them for full life and stop playing roulette with the public..

[JD6]

Originally Posted by mikeoz

I heard a comparrison this morning on Sky which was spot on..

So Richard Reed the "Shoe Bomber" who was overpowered by passengers and failed was sentenced in the US as the plane landed there. He was given 100yrs, hes not coming out. We have guys that have done similar plots that are getting 5,10 or 15 yrs and coming out more radical....very simple jail them for full life and stop playing roulette with the public..

Given that we are 12 days away from an election, it seems almost certain that the Tories will jump on this particular bandwagon and propose a rule that those convicted of terror offences are no longer released on licence.