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      11-01-2013, 03:44 PM   #23
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So does this mean Carbon Black might be available for future 4 coupes that aren't GC's?
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      11-01-2013, 04:03 PM   #24
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Why did people expect 5 series options? It's still a 4 series. Pretty sure there are no 7 series options in the 6GC.
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      11-01-2013, 04:07 PM   #25
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Why did my comment get deleted? Not even an explanation or nothing.

As I stated earlier, little late to the party with this info! Us dealers have had this since the M3/M4 ordering guide has been available.

We also received the 428i & 428xi GC guides. Those cars are not going to be standard with moonroof, power seats, etc as is the case with the 428 cp vs 435 cp.
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seriously? no upgraded leather option??? I thought the 4 GC was supposed to be on par with a 5 series (and the same price, but a bit smaller). My 335 xdrive was $59K and it wasn't fully loaded, the 4GC I am guessing will be $65K with similar options, I would expect novillo/nappa/merino leather (whatever they choose) to be an option.

I guess I have no reason to go to the 4GC from my 335i. I was really hoping to get a car with all the options of a 5 series but not as big.

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      11-01-2013, 04:23 PM   #27
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I love my F30 328i but GC is a beautiful car, can't wait to test drive it .
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      11-01-2013, 04:24 PM   #28
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Why did my comment get deleted? Not even an explanation or nothing.

As I stated earlier, little late to the party with this info! Us dealers have had this since the M3/M4 ordering guide has been available.

We also received the 428i & 428xi GC guides. Those cars are not going to be standard with moonroof, power seats, etc as is the case with the 428 cp vs 435 cp.
+1. I'm disappointed that there's not a "full nappa" type of option and mostly, that there is no stick on a 3/4er. I think this is a first for BMW.
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      11-01-2013, 04:25 PM   #29
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+1. I'm disappointed that there's not a "full nappa" type of option and mostly, that there is no stick on a 3/4er. I think this is a first for BMW.
No stick, what are you talking about?

3/4s have sticks on 28 and 35 models, only exception are Xdrive 28s.
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Also forgot to mention that the power tailgate is standard on the 435 but is an option for the 428.
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      11-01-2013, 05:39 PM   #31
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I am holding my breath for this car (or more specifically, the potential M4 Gran Coupe). That said, all the spy shots make the rear end look really bulky, and not at all like Harold Wood's render that shows a much more svelte rear end like that of the 6-series Gran Coupe. I sincerely hope it looks like the latter and not the former.
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      11-01-2013, 06:05 PM   #32
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Car is going to be too big/too heavy for 6 cylinder engine. That car will be a win with V8.
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      11-01-2013, 06:10 PM   #33
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Speaking of engines, didn't Scott26/27 mention that this is the first car that would feature the replacement for the N55?
There might be more power to move that extra weight....
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      11-01-2013, 06:26 PM   #34
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Car is going to be too big/too heavy for 6 cylinder engine. That car will be a win with V8.
Doubt it will be more than 50-100lbs heavier than a 4 coupe.

On the other forum someone took a stock 4000lb 335xGT to the track and ran a 13.5 at 104mph. So I would not worry about this 3500lb variant needing a V8.
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      11-01-2013, 06:33 PM   #35
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FWIW, 4GC specifies 5 doors in BMW model database.
This vehicle blatantly usurps the Gran Coupé label because it is conceptually closer to the 3 Gran Turismo than to the 6 Gran Coupé.

BMW is probably embarrassed with this inconsistency and tried to keep it hidden as long as possible in order to not raise uncomfortable questions at the time when the 6 GC was marketed. Hence when people started to question the alleged 4 door architecture by zooming in on HD spy pics, Scott responded that it was actually a clever set of camo tricks imitating a hatchback opening on the ceiling lining together with fake window pillars and fake belt mounts... and that there is no way a BMW 4 door coupé would not have classical rear doors opening at the Hofmeister Kink. It will be interesting to see what reason he will come up with today.

There could be technical reasons for this architecture, but I would rather think that the vehicle was deliberately designed to mimick the A5 Sportback instead of mimicking the 6 Gran Coupé, what a lame move.

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      11-01-2013, 06:41 PM   #36
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Why did people expect 5 series options? It's still a 4 series. Pretty sure there are no 7 series options in the 6GC.
Most 7-Series options are available in the 6-Series... actually, a 6-Series GC is more expensive than a comparable 7-Series.

Hopefully, BMW will not follow that pricing non-sense with the 4GC and the 5-Series.
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      11-01-2013, 06:52 PM   #37
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This vehicle blatantly usurps the Gran Coupé label because it is conceptually closer to the 3 Gran Turismo than to the 6 Gran Coupé.

BMW is probably embarrassed with this inconsistency and tried to keep it hidden as long as possible in order to not raise uncomfortable questions at the time when the 6 GC was marketed. Hence when people started to question the alleged 4 door architecture by zooming in on HD spy pics, Scott responded that it was actually a clever set of camo tricks imitating a hatchback opening on the ceiling lining together with fake window pillars and fake belt mounts... and that there is no way a BMW 4 door coupé would not have classical rear doors opening at the Hofmeister Kink. It will be interesting to see what reason he will come up with today.

There could be technical reasons for this architecture, but I would rather think that the vehicle was deliberately designed to mimick the A5 Sportback instead of mimicking the 6 Gran Coupé, what a lame move.
Don't focus on the politics of this so much. Better think of the added utility of a hatchback.
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Better think of the added utility of a hatchback.
Then let's put a tailgate on each and every BMW since it is more practical? Utility/practicality is the purpose of a Gran Turismo. A Gran Coupé is indeed supposed to add extra flexibility through extra rear space and extra doors for an easy access to the rear (which this car won't have since the rear door opening is smaller than it should have been), but it is still supposed to be a BMW Coupé like the vehicle it is based upon (= no hatchback). Nice and practical car? Absolutely. Just noting that labelling this as a Gran Coupé is dishonest and makes BMW's strategy inconsistent.
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Then let's put a tailgate on each and every BMW since it is more practical? Utility/practicality is the purpose of a Gran Turismo. A Gran Coupé is indeed supposed to add extra flexibility through extra rear space and extra doors for an easy access to the rear (which this car won't have since the rear door opening is smaller than it should have been), but it is still supposed to be a BMW 4 Series Coupé like the vehicle it is based upon (= no hatchback). Nice and practical car? Absolutely. Just noting that labelling this as a Gran Coupé is dishonest and makes BMW's strategy inconsistent.
You're saying this to the wrong guy. I love wagons and hatchbacks. Five door everything would be my dream come true.
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It's called an M3.
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Wonder if they will have M4 grand coupe...
Why not, that sounds exactly like BMW thinking to me.
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I thought the 4 GC was supposed to be on par with a 5 series (and the same price, but a bit smaller)
This is the aspect of this car that confuses me. Yes, I'll admit the concept of a sleeker 3 series is appealing, but will people really buy one over a 5 at the same price? And even if it is less (which it really has to be), you will probably get a better deal on a 5 because it been out for a while vs the brand new 4gc!
Seems like a tough sell, however depending on how the looks and price play out, it may be my next car...
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This is the aspect of this car that confuses me. Yes, I'll admit the concept of a sleeker 3 series is appealing, but will people really buy one over a 5 at the same price? And even if it is less (which it really has to be), you will probably get a better deal on a 5 because it been out for a while vs the brand new 4gc!
Seems like a tough sell, however depending on how the looks and price play out, it may be my next car...
2014 535i Base Price: $55,100
2014 435i Base Price: $46,000

Isn't $9K enough of a pricing space to put something in between? Or is the even LOWER base price of the 335i ($43,400) enough to make buyers skip the GC altogether? I think if BMWNA makes enough equipment standard they can start a 435 GC at about a $48-$49K base.
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