F30POST
F30POST
2012-2015 BMW 3-Series and 4-Series Forum
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
BMW 3-Series and 4-Series Forum (F30 / F32) | F30POST > 2012-2019 BMW 3 and 4-Series Forums > General F30 Sedan / F32 Coupe / F36 Gran Coupe Forum > Pre-purchase inspection for CPO?
proTUNING Freaks
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      04-15-2018, 11:01 PM   #1
chiefneil
Major
United_States
738
Rep
1,469
Posts

Drives: 2014 335i M-Sport
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Arizona

iTrader: (0)

Pre-purchase inspection for CPO?

Iím looking at buying a CPO for my daughter out in LA. Found a serious possibility - a 2016 with 18k miles for a good price. Iím going to drive out to take a look and close the deal if I like it, but Iím wondering in this case how critical a pre-purchase inspection is?

The carfax is clean, shows a single previous owner with a lease, typical standard maintenance, and nothing else. Would you insist on taking the car to an independent for an inspection?
Appreciate 0
      04-15-2018, 11:39 PM   #2
BrettKA7
Captain
400
Rep
638
Posts

Drives: F22 M240i
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Huntington Beach

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by chiefneil View Post
I'm looking at buying a CPO for my daughter out in LA. Found a serious possibility - a 2016 with 18k miles for a good price. I'm going to drive out to take a look and close the deal if I like it, but I'm wondering in this case how critical a pre-purchase inspection is?

The carfax is clean, shows a single previous owner with a lease, typical standard maintenance, and nothing else. Would you insist on taking the car to an independent for an inspection?
18k is low enough that I would personally be okay looking it over and then taking it for a drive and verifying it drives as expected.

Do you have any sort of automotive background? If you aren't quite sure how to spot body repairs or shoddy mechanical work, then it is probably best to have a local independent shop bring it in for an inspection. Even if it is mechanically sound, you don't want to find out it was in fact repainted when the pint begins peeling off.
__________________
M240i | Mineral White | Coral Red
Appreciate 1
chiefneil737.50

      04-16-2018, 12:54 AM   #3
chiefneil
Major
United_States
738
Rep
1,469
Posts

Drives: 2014 335i M-Sport
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Arizona

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by BrettKA7 View Post
18k is low enough that I would personally be okay looking it over and then taking it for a drive and verifying it drives as expected.

Do you have any sort of automotive background? If you aren't quite sure how to spot body repairs or shoddy mechanical work, then it is probably best to have a local independent shop bring it in for an inspection. Even if it is mechanically sound, you don't want to find out it was in fact repainted when the pint begins peeling off.
Yes, an unreported accident is what Iíd be most concerned about. I have no clue how to spot a repainted or replaced body panel. Iím not really concerned about mechanical issues with 2 years remaining on the factory warranty plus one more year of CPO. Although I just looked over the CPO warranty and it appears to be surprisingly limited.
Appreciate 0
      04-16-2018, 01:26 AM   #4
cngo
Second Lieutenant
51
Rep
236
Posts

Drives: W08
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: CA

iTrader: (0)

I recommend to have a PPI done just for peace of mind
Appreciate 1
chiefneil737.50

      04-16-2018, 03:57 PM   #5
CalCarNut
Brigadier General
CalCarNut's Avatar
United_States
1047
Rep
3,259
Posts

Drives: 2015 F36 Jet Black Sport Line
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Blue Skies

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Chief, what dealer if I may ask? (can dm me if you'd like)

I will say if its a Century West car from Studio city, have the car double checked. They missed so many things on my wifes X3 it's not funny (and it's cpo'd..or was, anyway).
__________________
2015 BMW F36 428i JetBlack. Sport Line Edition
25% 3M Tint|
Appreciate 1
chiefneil737.50

      04-16-2018, 07:07 PM   #6
chiefneil
Major
United_States
738
Rep
1,469
Posts

Drives: 2014 335i M-Sport
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Arizona

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by CalCarNut View Post
Chief, what dealer if I may ask? (can dm me if you'd like)

I will say if its a Century West car from Studio city, have the car double checked. They missed so many things on my wifes X3 it's not funny (and it's cpo'd..or was, anyway).
The particular car I was looking at is gone, but it was Long Beach BMW.

Stories like yours are why Iím a little wary of CPO being useful for anything except the extended warranty. The extra inspection is just a bit of a PITA since Iíll be driving from Phoenix to LA to get everything done, but it seems like I should make the effort.
Appreciate 1
      04-16-2018, 07:13 PM   #7
IK6SPEED
Banned
United_States
4278
Rep
10,526
Posts

Drives: BMW M3 / AH3
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Cali

iTrader: (23)

Quote:
Originally Posted by chiefneil View Post
Yes, an unreported accident is what Iíd be most concerned about. I have no clue how to spot a repainted or replaced body panel. Iím not really concerned about mechanical issues with 2 years remaining on the factory warranty plus one more year of CPO. Although I just looked over the CPO warranty and it appears to be surprisingly limited.
The CPO is REALLY limited compared to what most think of when it comes to a warranty.
Appreciate 1
chiefneil737.50

      05-02-2018, 06:24 PM   #8
CalCarNut
Brigadier General
CalCarNut's Avatar
United_States
1047
Rep
3,259
Posts

Drives: 2015 F36 Jet Black Sport Line
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Blue Skies

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
CPO adds a minimal peace of mind...but for the most part, only covers major components. It's still a gamble buying a CPO car at the higher price.........
__________________
2015 BMW F36 428i JetBlack. Sport Line Edition
25% 3M Tint|
Appreciate 1
chiefneil737.50

      05-03-2018, 01:15 AM   #9
Kafkaesque328
Major
Kafkaesque328's Avatar
United_States
481
Rep
1,266
Posts

Drives: 2016 328i M Sport
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: El A

iTrader: (0)

Pre-inspection on your own dime for a certified pre owned car with a warranty, sold by a dealer? why would you want the hassle and the expense. The car is fine. Its not like some random private party Craigslist car. Somethings wrong and you just bring it to the dealer.
__________________
2016 Black Sapphire 328i | M Sport Pkg. | JB+ | Premium Pkg. | Heated Seats | Driver Assist Pkg. | Navigation | Misc. Coding | 35% Ceramic Tint

Past: 2014 Black 320i | Sport Pkg | BMS Stage 1
Appreciate 1
chiefneil737.50

      05-03-2018, 01:19 AM   #10
techn0ir
New Member
techn0ir's Avatar
12
Rep
14
Posts

Drives: 2015 335i MSport Estoril Blue
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: SF Bay Area

iTrader: (0)

I just bought a CPO 2015 335i with 12k miles on the clock and also debated a PPI. Went so far to discuss it with my mechanic who had been servicing my E46 for the last 4 years. Ultimately he said if the car history is legit, with that many miles itís a bit overkill to PPI a CPO. So I didnít. YMMV.
Appreciate 1
chiefneil737.50

      05-03-2018, 03:04 AM   #11
IK6SPEED
Banned
United_States
4278
Rep
10,526
Posts

Drives: BMW M3 / AH3
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Cali

iTrader: (23)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kafkaesque328 View Post
Pre-inspection on your own dime for a certified pre owned car with a warranty, sold by a dealer? why would you want the hassle and the expense. The car is fine. Its not like some random private party Craigslist car. Somethings wrong and you just bring it to the dealer.
Well, considering everything a CPO does NOT cover, itís not just an easy ďSomethings wrong and you bring it to the dealerĒ.

There is another thread where a person has a CPO and his struts and suspension are bad. $4k is the replacement costs.

A PPI would have easily paid for itself in this (and other) circumstances.
Appreciate 1
chiefneil737.50

      05-03-2018, 09:50 AM   #12
NorCalAthlete
Captain
NorCalAthlete's Avatar
United_States
956
Rep
705
Posts

Drives: Various
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Bay Area, CA

iTrader: (0)

How much are PPIs for something like this? I'm eyeballing a CPO 435 myself...though there're one or two 440s popping up as well every now and then.
Appreciate 0
      05-03-2018, 10:18 AM   #13
5ilver-5amurai
First Lieutenant
174
Rep
343
Posts

Drives: 435i xDrive, C43 Coupe 4matic
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Toronto

iTrader: (0)

Carfax is an absolute joke these days - unfortunately. I have spent enough times on these forums to see the types of tactics people take to avoid reporting damage on a carfax report, and hiding a tune after absolutely hammering the engine.

Tip for you if you are buying CPO....drive two similar cars back to back to see if there is a difference in performance, sound, and general noise level. Check door jambs, and the inside / outside edge of all panels to see if there is paint over-spray.
Appreciate 2
chiefneil737.50
CalCarNut1046.50

      05-03-2018, 10:48 AM   #14
M2Rush
First Lieutenant
Canada
83
Rep
353
Posts

Drives: 2014 BSM 335i x-drive
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: The 6

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by NorCalAthlete View Post
How much are PPIs for something like this? I'm eyeballing a CPO 435 myself...though there're one or two 440s popping up as well every now and then.
It's only like $80-$100 or one shop hour rate. I suggest finding a local reputable indy that works on BMW or at least german cars.
Appreciate 0
      05-03-2018, 11:40 AM   #15
Buzzo
First Lieutenant
167
Rep
325
Posts

Drives: MT 244'80 V70R'07 340x'16
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: CT

iTrader: (0)

If you're seriously considering buying, definitely yes on the PPI. Besides its limitations in what it covers, a CPO is liking having the dealer mark its own paper. A dealer has an incentive to forgo on fixing things before a sale. A warranty can be fought over later, and if they end up fixing it under CPO warranty the customer is going to feel real good about buying that CPO so they'll be back for a CPO'd purchase later down the line. A CPO is like an extended warranty, they wouldn't sell them unless they come out ahead over time.

And if a PPI finds anything at all it will immediately have paid for itself, either in walking away from a bad purchase, in negotiating a lower purchase price, or a demand for it to be fixed prior to the sale. I usually go to (another) dealer for a PPI and I've never had them not find anything.
Appreciate 1
chiefneil737.50

      05-03-2018, 05:49 PM   #16
NorCalAthlete
Captain
NorCalAthlete's Avatar
United_States
956
Rep
705
Posts

Drives: Various
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Bay Area, CA

iTrader: (0)

$80? No brainer, worth it. Thanks!
Appreciate 0
      05-03-2018, 07:27 PM   #17
John in VA
Lieutenant Colonel
629
Rep
1,636
Posts

Drives: 2015 228i M Sport
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Leesburg, VA

iTrader: (4)

Quote:
Originally Posted by M2Rush View Post
It's only like $80-$100 or one shop hour rate. I suggest finding a local reputable indy that works on BMW or at least german cars.
It's closer to twice that here in the Wash DC area.
__________________
____________________________________________
2015 BMW 228i in EstorilBlau II Metallic / Terra Dakota Leather - 6-speed manual, M Sport Package, Cold Weather Package, Lighting Package, Premium Package, Harman Kardon premium sound, Anti-theft alarm system, Blue Metallic Matt Accent Moldings, Aluminum Hexagon Interior Strips, Anthracite Headlining
Appreciate 0
      05-04-2018, 02:06 AM   #18
Sea-Tac
Major
Sea-Tac's Avatar
United_States
1399
Rep
1,487
Posts

Drives: 2108 X3 xDrive30i
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Bellevue, Wa

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by chiefneil View Post
I’m looking at buying a CPO for my daughter out in LA. Found a serious possibility - a 2016 with 18k miles for a good price. I’m going to drive out to take a look and close the deal if I like it, but I’m wondering in this case how critical a pre-purchase inspection is?

The carfax is clean, shows a single previous owner with a lease, typical standard maintenance, and nothing else. Would you insist on taking the car to an independent for an inspection?
Car fax is junk. Always do an independent pre purchase inspection.
Appreciate 1
chiefneil737.50

      05-04-2018, 09:07 AM   #19
chiefneil
Major
United_States
738
Rep
1,469
Posts

Drives: 2014 335i M-Sport
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Arizona

iTrader: (0)

Checking back in to let everyone know I appreciate their advice and comments. Itís a long story, but we ended up leasing a dealer loaner 2018 230i with 4500 miles. Since it wasnít registered previously, it came with full warranty and maintenance, so essentially just like leasing a new vehicle except a bit cheaper.

Anyway, my lesson learned is that buying a car from out of state is kind of a PITA. Next time I set my sights on a CPO, Iíll stick to local dealers. And will definitely do a PPI.
Appreciate 1
CalCarNut1046.50

Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:10 PM.




f30post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST