[Tengocity]

Originally Posted by DriveS

320-330hp for M340d hardly seems worth it.

380hp for the M340i definitely worth it.

Putting some distance between the petrol and diesel? or maybe the diesel does not meet emissions targets at higher powers?

Perhaps the equipment needed for the bi-turbo diesel engine to pass emissions tests does limit the power. I noticed today reading a review of the new Alpina D5 with this engine that it only has 322bhp, which is down on what the previius D5 and current D3 puts out. They're still doing 700NM of toque though. Can't think of any other reason...

[teaston]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

Perhaps the equipment needed for the bi-turbo diesel engine to pass emissions tests does limit the power. I noticed today reading a review of the new Alpina D5 with this engine that it only has 322bhp, which is down on what the previius D5 and current D3 puts out. They're still doing 700NM of toque though. Can't think of any other reason...

Euro D5 gets 382bhp triple turbo!

http://www.evo.co.uk/news/19951/new-...s-in-frankfurt

[Tengocity]

Originally Posted by teaston

Euro D5 gets 382bhp triple turbo!

http://www.evo.co.uk/news/19951/new-...s-in-frankfurt

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/alpina/...-s-2018-review

Not here it doesn't

[teaston]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/alpina/...-s-2018-review

Not here it doesn't

I know, I was saying what it gets in the rest of europe.

[Tengocity]

Originally Posted by teaston

Euro D5 gets 382bhp triple turbo!

http://www.evo.co.uk/news/19951/new-...s-in-frankfurt

In fact it says at the bottom of that article that uk one is the lower powered biturbo one.

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[teaston]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

In fact it says at the bottom of that article that uk one is the lower powered biturbo one.

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Exactly, it’s bloody stupid!

[Apollocs]

Originally Posted by teaston

Exactly, it’s bloody stupid!

I assume the reason the D5 S is only getting the Bi-turbo engine is due to the right hand drive version lacking space for the extra turbo and larger manifold?

[dopper99]

Originally Posted by teaston

M340d is all about the torque! New 30d has nearly same torque as 35d, so however much will the 40d have!

I guess you'd assume the 340d will have the same B57 engine as fitted to the 7 series. Over 500 lb⋅ft.........


Current N57 335d has 630 N⋅m (460 lb⋅ft)

[Manivxr]

It's all speculation. We won't know until it happens. Until that time enjoy whatever you are driving. I certainly love my 435d as it hits the spot.

[Archer-s]

X4 40d confirmed with 326bhp, pretty sure they will use the same in the 3er if they make one

[strike4A]

Originally Posted by mssond

X4 40d confirmed with 326bhp, pretty sure they will use the same in the 3er if they make one

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/unite...the-new-bmw-x4

And a hefty amount of torque. Given this is built on the same CLAR platform as the G20 will be then there should be no technical reason why the same engine isn't offered - no doubt it will be a political one.

[teaston]

Originally Posted by strike4A

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/unite...the-new-bmw-x4

And a hefty amount of torque. Given this is built on the same CLAR platform as the G20 will be then there should be no technical reason why the same engine isn't offered - no doubt it will be a political one.

Interesting it has slightly more power than the 740d but same torque!

[jnismith]

From the G20 forum....

[teaston]

Originally Posted by jnismith

From the G20 forum....

Notice it says it's just what some unheard of Spanish website 'purports' to be the full engine line up! So basically has little to no relevance.

[jnismith]

Originally Posted by teaston

Notice it says it's just what some unheard of Spanish website 'purports' to be the full engine line up! So basically has little to no relevance.

True but the rest of the thread is speculation too and this makes reasonable sense, i.e., the big diesel is not getting more powerful but the petrol is. Can see what my next car will be though especially if you can boost the 380 bhp up further

[teaston]

Originally Posted by jnismith

True but the rest of the thread is speculation too and this makes reasonable sense, i.e., the big diesel is not getting more powerful but the petrol is. Can see what my next car will be though especially if you can boost the 380 bhp up further

Yes the M340i could be an absolute beast! Even the M240i can be easily bumped up from 340bhp to 415bhp with a £175 tuning box! So could see 455bhp or more from M340i!

http://bluesparkautomotive.com/bmw-m240i

[dopper99]

The bad news will be the cost, both list price and road tax.

How much do we think these M Performance models will be? £45k or more?

Then £450 a year road tax.

Then if you buy the M340d you'll have to put that Adblue shit in.

[SkyJawa]

Big power gaps between the 330 and 340i and with 325 and 340d.

No 330d or 335d to fill that gap or 335i for example.

[HighlandPete]

Originally Posted by SkyJawa

Big power gaps between the 330 and 340i and with 325 and 340d.

No 330d or 335d to fill that gap or 335i for example.

If, and I do mean 'IF' BMW limit the mid range 6-cylinder engines, I see this as possibly part of manufacturer's trying to achieve compliance with the ever tightening emissions/CO2 targets.

If drivers really want a bigger engine, then make a decent variant, load the spec' (and cost) to satisfy those who must have the 6-cylinder motors.

[NotGotABimmer23]

Originally Posted by dopper99

The bad news will be the cost, both list price and road tax.

How much do we think these M Performance models will be? £45k or more?

Then £450 a year road tax.

Then if you buy the M340d you'll have to put that Adblue shit in.

Definitely over £45k.

[teaston]

Originally Posted by dopper99

The bad news will be the cost, both list price and road tax.

How much do we think these M Performance models will be? £45k or more?

Then £450 a year road tax.

Then if you buy the M340d you'll have to put that Adblue shit in.

£45k is alright, if it already comes with a lot of options, my 335d was over £49k with options!

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by kylemacca01

Still feels so sluggish compared to the 340i petrol though. Loads of torque is good but you need decent bhp to go with it.

I have on occasion been slightly critical of the engine in my 335d but that's mainly to do with lack of refinement compared to a 6-pot petrol (principally things like the diesel rattle over the first 2k revs when you pull away on a light throttle opening in traffic). I also don't find it that much more economical than the petrol equivalent and hence if I was choosing again now I'd go for the 340i.

However, I wouldn't describe the 35d as sluggish and on a public road I suspect there'd be nothing in it against the 40i. I daresay the petrol would edge away at higher speeds (as bhp becomes more important than torque) but you're firmly in licence losing territory by then!

If anyone's that concerned about sluggish performance in their 35d they can always have it mapped to 370bhp and 540lb/ft for less than £500. However, personally I find the standard offering to be fast enough most of the time - not too much around that's significantly quicker from 30 to 90...