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      11-13-2019, 12:38 PM   #463
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How can the science be settle when we have so much uncertainty

https://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/b.../computer.html

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley....9/2019GL082442
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      11-13-2019, 03:34 PM   #464
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How can the science be settle when we have so much uncertainty

https://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/b.../computer.html
We are dealing with the study of cloud contribution to the whole GW picture-that is one part of many different causes-one. There are many more important things we do know. We do know that man is responsible for GW bc the science says so. At no time in the last 2.8 million years did the CO2 vary beyond 170 to 300ppm. In the last 140 it went from 300ppm to 400+ ppm. And we know by the isotopes its man generated. And of course you are talking 1996 information

They are indicating the exact prediction of the 25 models that predict global warming are between +1.5 and +4.5C and its unlikely to be Less than +2 C. By any standard 4.5 (C) (8F). would make the half of the earth which would be above water un-inhabitable.

Not sure you comprehended the article.
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      11-13-2019, 06:09 PM   #465
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What part of his report is false?
You need to do your research on Levant. He is basically the Canadian version of Alex Jones. He is our 'idiot'. Pay attention to him for entertainment purposes only.
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We are dealing with the study of cloud contribution to the whole GW picture-that is one part of many different causes-one. There are many more important things we do know. We do know that man is responsible for GW bc the science says so. At no time in the last 2.8 million years did the CO2 vary beyond 170 to 300ppm. In the last 140 it went from 300ppm to 400+ ppm. And we know by the isotopes its man generated. And of course you are talking 1996 information



They are indicating the exact prediction of the 25 models that predict global warming are between +1.5 and +4.5C and its unlikely to be Less than +2 C. By any standard 4.5 (C) (8F). would make the half of the earth which would be above water un-inhabitable.

Not sure you comprehended the article.

Because “science says so”?

You’re referring to timelines that you claim CO2 levels that “CO2 vary beyond 170 to 300ppm”.
But despite that ridiculous statement, we’ve seen periods of global heat that put dinosaurs (reptiles) in every corner of the planet. So I guess CO2 isn’t a global warmer then?
We’ve also seen ocean levels fluctuate over 400 feet, with ice 4km thick covering North America. It melted, why? And it’s not supposed to melt anymore, even though they’re digging up dinosaur fossils in northern Alberta?

The convenience of using the term “science” like a religion is sickening, it’s turned into some twisted religion of “believers” and “deniers”

Extrapolating data from a period where industrialized human activity doesn’t even register on a climate scale, IS science, It’s just to be ignored.

Science isn’t a “thing” it’s a process, called the scientific method.

It’s absolutely idiotic to take 100 years of human industrialized activity, which TODAY represents -3% of total CO2, and claim “science” says this time the melting is from only 1st world nations, and by allowing China, India and Asia to continue polluting, dragging 100’s of millions of people into the industrialized age will fix it?

It’s a socialized construct that is generating a massive tax fund for wealth redistribution.

When did it start? When Al Gore lost to GW Bush, who had the support of the ........ oil and gas industry.
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You need to do your research on Levant. He is basically the Canadian version of Alex Jones. He is our 'idiot'. Pay attention to him for entertainment purposes only.
Once again what part of his report is false? I didn't ask for character assassination.
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Because “science says so”? .
Four takeaways from your post:

1. You don't understand the dynamics of how the climate is changing in the last 140 years. (btw-the increase from 300ppm to 400ppm C02 is 33% not 3%.)

2. You have no understanding how and why climate varied in the past and why.

3. You have a rigid opinion which can not change.

4. You don't seem to be able to be able to reason logically.

Again "if" you were interested on learning you could read."The Story of Earth". But that's not happening.

If you want to discuss one issue at a time instead of just ranting ,that's fine. :cheers:
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...g-green-enough



I'm thinking about suing due to all these record cold temperatures around here the past week. FFS I want my warming!
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Dr. Patrick Moore on Climate Change

Past president of Greenpeace and why he left.

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At no time in the last 2.8 million years did the CO2 vary beyond 170 to 300ppm. In the last 140 it went from 300ppm to 400+ ppm.
If I ignore the entire temperature history of the earth and instead cherry-pick starting and ending dates, I can make a temperature graph show any trend I choose. Same goes for CO2. This morning when I woke up it was 24 degrees, and at 4 PM it'll be 40. HOLY FUCK! A 66% INCREASE! WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE! BY NEXT WEEK THE EARTH WILL BE JUST A SHIMMERING GLASS BALL! SEND ALL YOUR MONEY TO THE UN, QUICK!

Uh...no.
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Past president of Greenpeace and why he left.

Dr. Moore does a great job (not sure it's in this video, but...) of describing the ideological shift of the environmental movement, from protecting the earth to punishing progress and denigrating all human activity. He saw it from the inside, and that's why he left.
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I'm thinking about suing due to all these record cold temperatures around here the past week. FFS I want my warming!
Great idea! After all the tens of billions of our tax dollars spent towards climate research, I think we're well within our rights to present our tax returns as proof of payment and demand an immediate 30-degree warm-up. Completely reasonable.
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Dr. Moore does a great job (not sure it's in this video, but...) of describing the ideological shift of the environmental movement, from protecting the earth to punishing progress and denigrating all human activity. He saw it from the inside, and that's why he left.
So this guy is a scientist and this is in his wheelhouse. There are several others like him, hundreds and perhaps thousands to be sure so I'm not sure why so many say the science is settled. Especially given the association to wealth redistribution and the influence of the green energy sector to push the agenda.
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If it were settled, it wouldn't be science. If it's science, it'll never be settled. The notion of "settled science" is oxymoronic. And several other forms of moronic as well.
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So this guy is a scientist and this is in his wheelhouse.
An understatement, to be sure. He was one of the earliest Environmental Science PhD holders, and a "founding father" of the modern environmentalist movement.
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An understatement, to be sure. He was one of the earliest Environmental Science PhD holders, and a "founding father" of the modern environmentalist movement.
So the other thing I find frustrating, I believe we should treat the planet well, pollute less and find better ways to do things especially things that pollute. But I also question much of what I see in the green agenda because of guys like Patrick Moore and I get called denier. I don't see why there can't be a dialogue, real debate on the subject.
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So the other thing I find frustrating, I believe we should treat the planet well, pollute less and find better ways to do things especially things that pollute. But I also question much of what I see in the green agenda because of guys like Patrick Moore and I get called denier. I don't see why there can't be a dialogue, real debate on the subject.
+1000

The social media noise created by extreme voices at the fringes of the ideological spectrum has drowned out civil debate and any notion of a middle ground. Bill Nye the (pseudo)Science Guy even advocated arresting anyone voicing skepticism about man-made climate change. Most unfortunate.
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So this guy is a scientist and this is in his wheelhouse. There are several others like him, hundreds and perhaps thousands to be sure so I'm not sure why so many say the science is settled. Especially given the association to wealth redistribution and the influence of the green energy sector to push the agenda.
If you want to see a Nobel Prize-winning physicist take a hatchet to climate change alarmism, watch this.
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If I ignore the entire temperature history of the earth and instead cherry-pick starting and ending dates, I can make a temperature graph show any trend I choose. Same goes for CO2. This morning when I woke up it was 24 degrees, and at 4 PM it'll be 40. HOLY FUCK! A 66% INCREASE! WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE! BY NEXT WEEK THE EARTH WILL BE JUST A SHIMMERING GLASS BALL! SEND ALL YOUR MONEY TO THE UN, QUICK!

Uh...no.
Well if you want to know the contribution that man has made to changing the climate...gee you would have to compare the last 140 years to the period whan man was not a contributor. Is that too deep for you to follow?
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If you want to see a Nobel Prize-winning physicist take a hatchet to climate change alarmism, watch this.
The guy belongs in an alzheimers ward.....wow.
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Well if you want to know the contribution that man has made to changing the climate...gee you would have to compare the last 140 years to the period whan man was not a contributor. Is that too deep for you to follow?
Great idea! So compare the last 140 years to the period from 400-600 million years ago, when CO2 concentrations were ~6000ppm. See how easy I did that?
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Well if you want to know the contribution that man has made to changing the climate...gee you would have to compare the last 140 years to the period whan man was not a contributor. Is that too deep for you to follow?
If you only sample the last 140 years, you're missing hundreds of millions of years of data.

What about the ice age? Whats to say there wasn't an opposite event that happened prior to that? How do we know we're not just seeing the effects of the Milankovitch cycles?
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