[zbeamer4]

DAM! I had a couple of good Irish jokes too! lol

[louz4]

Thank you. I appreciate the response.

[ALPINE6SPD]

np

[Voltigeur]

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Appropriate policy.

[Mu Mu]

This is why I love e90post although I drive an e46! keep up the good work guys!

[cagekicker]

thanx!

[xbook]

What about general hate filled threads like the one Lambtron put up earlier? It was removed, but it was allowed to be posted. Is he getting banned for the TERRIBLE "joke" he tried to post?

If racism = BAN, then homophobic threads like the one Lambtron started need to be basis for a ban as well. Otherwise your Racism = BAN policy is discriminatory.

[lambtron]

Originally Posted by xbook

What about general hate filled threads like the one Lambtron put up earlier? It was removed, but it was allowed to be posted. Is he getting banned for the TERRIBLE "joke" he tried to post?

If racism = BAN, then homophobic threads like the one Lambtron started need to be basis for a ban as well. Otherwise your Racism = BAN policy is discriminatory.

I received an infraction. My apologies to you or anyone that may have been offended by the joke. I would argue that the joke was not hate filled at all, nor does it constitute racism; it was merely a joke that has been floating around the internet in the wake of the potential repeal of the DADT policy. And, in my defense, unless I completely missed something in the forum rules, I was unaware that I was breaking any.


FWIW- A quick search shows that there is another 'homophobic' thread that is still around on the site: 'Am I Gay?' A self examination for men

[xbook]

Originally Posted by lambtron

I received an infraction. My apologies to you or anyone that may have been offended by the joke. I would argue that the joke was not hate filled at all, nor does it constitute racism; it was merely a joke that has been floating around the internet in the wake of the potential repeal of the DADT policy. And, in my defense, unless I completely missed something in the forum rules, I was unaware that I was breaking any.


FWIW- A quick search shows that there is another 'homophobic' thread that is still around on the site: 'Am I Gay?' A self examination for men

Big of you to apologize, that's pretty cool of you. Thanks for pointing out that other thread. I think it's the one that has put me off of this forum for good. FUCKING DISGUSTING!!!

Mods, why don't you try doing your FUCKING JOBS!!!!!!

[HoustonScott]

Can you define racism for this forum.

HS

[carve]

From dictionary.com

Racism: A belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others

I have a suspicion what you might be getting at is if it includes religion. It doesn't. Even if it did, you might want to look up and see the title of this sub-forum: Politics/Religion. There is no Democrat race or Buddhist race, for example. Race is something you're born with and can't change.

[HoustonScott]

And your going to determine that a person making a post has these beliefs or doctrine in his or her's life from that post and if you believe that they do your going to ban them. That's a lot of responsibility and insight, I wish I knew how you do it.

HS

[shitbrownMcoupe]

When I went to Columbia, this hot chick asked me if I was Chinese.... then she told me that she loved Jacky Chan!... then you know what happened next...

[carve]

I don't know what you're trying to say, Houston. U right at a forth grad levl. It doesn't make sense.

Race is a genetic thing though- not a doctrine or belief. Prejudging people of a certain race based on their race is racism. Regardless, I'm not a mod, so I can't ban anyone. I was just posting the definition of racism.

[HoustonScott]

Here is what I am trying to say. Why is this post up? Why the threat of racism=Ban? Why post this above this page? Here is what I think. If your against Obama policy your a racist or that is what will be claimed by someone here when they loose a debate littered with facts. Racism is now a racial slur of whites. It's used to degrade and belittle whites. The pre-post should read "assert racism = Ban" the word racist or racism is the new tool of the left and should not be used in this forum and use of word is an assertion that can not be refuted. I am racially offended by those who use it. it's the "N" for whites. Use that word or assert racisum and you should be BAN.

HS

[quagmire]

Originally Posted by HoustonScott

Here is what I am trying to say. Why is this post up? Why the threat of racism=Ban? Why post this above this page? Here is what I think. If your against Obama policy your a racist or that is what will be claimed by someone here when they loose a debate littered with facts. Racism is now a racial slur of whites. It's used to degrade and belittle whites. The pre-post should read "assert racism = Ban" the word racist or racism is the new tool of the left and should not be used in this forum and use of word is an assertion that can not be refuted. I am racially offended by those who use it. it's the "N" for whites. Use that word or assert racisum and you should be BAN.

HS

Not everyone thinks just because you don't like Obama's policy means you're racist. I certainly don't.

Don't let extremists on both sides generalize Republicans or Democrats. Yes, there are people who will say you're racist because you don't like Obama. But likewise, there are people out there that are racist and don't like Obama because he is black. You also have to realize this stuff sells and why the media picks up on it. Anything that happens has any sort of accusation of racism, CNN, Fox, MSNBC, etc will pick up on it and blow it out of proportion.

Racism is pretty clear. Post racial slurs or anything that is derogatory to a certain race is bounds to be banned. Simply saying you disagree with Obama's policy is not bounds for a ban no matter how many times a member says you're being racist for disagreeing with Obama. If a mod does ban you for that, then you do have a right to complain to the administrator, etc. But, I doubt the mods will ban you unless your posts clearly show racism in it.

Again, don't let extremists stereotype Republicans and Democrats. We may disagree with each other( as I am a registered Democrat and voted for Obama), but I certainly won't call you a racist because you don't like Obama's version of HealthCare reform or whatever policy you disagree with.

[Peanuto]

Originally Posted by HoustonScott

Here is what I am trying to say. Why is this post up? Why the threat of racism=Ban? Why post this above this page? Here is what I think. If your against Obama policy your a racist or that is what will be claimed by someone here when they loose a debate littered with facts. Racism is now a racial slur of whites. It's used to degrade and belittle whites. The pre-post should read "assert racism = Ban" the word racist or racism is the new tool of the left and should not be used in this forum and use of word is an assertion that can not be refuted. I am racially offended by those who use it. it's the "N" for whites. Use that word or assert racisum and you should be BAN.

HS

Shouldn't even be racism. It should be edited to bigotry=ban. That way race, nationality, and religion are covered.

[quagmire]

Originally Posted by Peanuto

Shouldn't even be racism. It should be edited to bigotry=ban. That way race, nationality, and religion are covered.

Agreed. Anything derogatory towards Race, Nationality, Religion, Sexual Orientation, etc should not be tolerated.

[carve]

This is the politics/religion forum. Why would we want to avoid talking about religion in the religion forum? This areas is specifically set aside for these most contentous of issues, that many people want to avoid. Enter here at your own risk. Besides- pretty much every religion thinks every other religion is wrong, so all religion is inherently bigoted. That doesn't mean we shouldn't talk about it- especially in here!

Likewise, since this forum is also for politics, you should be able to make generalizationg about what Democrats and Republicans stand for, for instance. There's no point having a religion or political party if there isn't a central core of beliefs. The same can not be said about ones race, nationality, or sexual orientation. Those are things you're born with (although race is the only one that is completely obvious AND unchangeable). Besides- just because something is deragatory doesn't make it wrong. Saying Vietnamese eat dogs is TRUE (although they increasingly keep them for pets, too). Saying Muslims are more likely to support terrorism than other religions is TRUE (The numbers are getting much better at a fast rate, but are still very high). Saying early Mormons practiced polygymy is TRUE. Saying atheists are godless heathens is TRUE.

Topics such as religion need to be drawn out of the closet and examined and criticized in the full light of day- especially since religion is often an important factor in people's political decisions.

HoustonScott: I think your concern is unfounded. If you say "I disagree with Obama because his policies are socialist", that isn't racist (regardless of whether it's right). If you say "I disagree with Obama because he's black", that's racist. If someone is calling you out over racism when the issue of race was never raised or implied, they clearly have no argument left and are grasping at straws. I wouldn't worry about getting banned over that, unless you're using thinly vailed racism like...I don't know...calling black people "watermelon eaters" or something, where it's obvious what you're getting at.

[quagmire]

Originally Posted by carve

This is the politics/religion forum. Why would we want to avoid talking about religion in the religion forum? This areas is specifically set aside for these most contentous of issues, that many people want to avoid. Enter here at your own risk. Besides- pretty much every religion thinks every other religion is wrong, so all religion is inherently bigoted. That doesn't mean we shouldn't talk about it- especially in here!

Likewise, since this forum is also for politics, you should be able to make generalizationg about what Democrats and Republicans stand for, for instance. There's no point having a religion or political party if there isn't a central core of beliefs. The same can not be said about ones race, nationality, or sexual orientation. Those are things you're born with (although race is the only one that is completely obvious AND unchangeable).

HoustonScott: I think your concern is unfounded. If you say "I disagree with Obama because his policies are socialist", that isn't racist (regardless of whether it's right). If you say "I disagree with Obama because he's black", that's racist. If someone is calling you out over racism when the issue of race was never raised or implied, they clearly have no argument left and are grasping at straws. I wouldn't worry about getting banned over that, unless you're using thinly vailed racism like...I don't know...calling black people "watermelon eaters" or something, where it's obvious what you're getting at.

I didn't say avoid talking about religion. Just don't be a bigot about others beliefs. You have yours and I have mine. We can civilly discuss our different beliefs, but don't go off going, " My beliefs are right and yours is wrong no matter what you say".

Same with politics. I hate people who go right down party lines and hate a candidate simply because he is a Democrat or Republican. For instance, some Republicans have criticized Obama for wanting to reduce our nuclear weapons. Saying how he is being soft, etc. And yet, Ronald Reagan said the same thing who they constantly use of how Republicans should be like....... It appears to me at least those people just hate Obama simply because he is a Democrat and have different beliefs as they do. As already mentioned by Houston, some Democrats say that Republicans who hate Obama are racists. Why must politics come down to mud slinging and talking points? Shouldn't we be civil and respectful to each others beliefs? Best of friends can be the bitterest enemies simply because they are unable to respect each others political beliefs.

I am not saying avoid discussing religion and politics. All I am saying is be civil and respectful with each other. Generalizing is not good. I am not a socialist because I am a Democrat and support HealthCare Reform and agree with a Public Option. And Republicans aren't racist bigots because they don't agree with Obama's policies. Just leave the extremist material out of the discussion and we could actually discuss things without going, " Socialist!!!" " Racist!!!!", etc.

[Peanuto]

I just think any politics/religion section is a bad fucking idea unless you are willing to accept the backlash from the inevitable arguments. People get heated when they talk about their beliefs, whether it be in support of their race, religion, or political affiliation. It is begging for trouble.

[carve]

This is your opportunity to correct people on those talking points, and an interesting conversation will ensue. That's the whole point of this forum.

By merely saying "I belong to religion XYZ", you're saying you're right and everyone else is wrong. Otherwise, that wouldn't be your religion. Everyone can't be right, so that makes for a VERY interesting and heated conversation. Some parts can sound derogatory, but aren't. Saying "Sharia law is bigoted and cruel", for example, is a fact that we can support with evidence.