F30POST
F30POST
2012-2015 BMW 3-Series and 4-Series Forum
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
BMW 3-Series and 4-Series Forum (F30 / F32) | F30POST > 2012-2019 BMW 3 and 4-Series Forums > General F30 Sedan / F32 Coupe / F36 Gran Coupe Forum > Another F30 N20 Blown Motor Thread :(
GetBMWParts
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      05-17-2019, 02:19 PM   #45
lvblkjack
Private
12
Rep
51
Posts

Drives: F30
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: California

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by MyEvo8u View Post
Didn't seem like they cared to much honestly, he put it on me to get in contact with BMWNA.
It's long shot but is it possible that, via some dumb luck miracle, you have a N26 instead of N20?
Appreciate 0
      05-17-2019, 02:57 PM   #46
MyEvo8u
New Member
19
Rep
25
Posts

Drives: 2012 328i F30 & Evolution VIII
Join Date: May 2019
Location: NJ

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by lvblkjack View Post
It's long shot but is it possible that, via some dumb luck miracle, you have a N26 instead of N20?
Nope, def N20
Appreciate 0
      05-17-2019, 06:18 PM   #47
CalCarNut
Brigadier General
CalCarNut's Avatar
United_States
1036
Rep
3,249
Posts

Drives: 2015 F36 Jet Black Sport Line
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Blue Skies

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by lvblkjack View Post
N26's registered in participating states have 15yr/150k miles warranty on a long list of parts. Does a reman engine change that coverage?
When they replaced mine, I asked the SA..he said 'What's left on your new car warranty?". I said 3 weeks. He said that's what it's warranteed for...BUT BMWNA wouldn't leave you hanging if you had any issues for a while". Didn't define 'a while'...but I wouldn't count on it really unless it was within a few months. Funny..the car has 27K miles on it now and the engine 1200.

Too bad they didn't mistakenly drop in a 3.0L.......
__________________
2015 BMW F36 428i JetBlack. Sport Line Edition
25% 3M Tint|
Appreciate 0
      05-17-2019, 09:50 PM   #48
moegd55
Enlisted Member
moegd55's Avatar
Canada
6
Rep
32
Posts

Drives: BMW F30 335i Msport
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: montreal

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by MyEvo8u View Post
Hey All!

Longtime lurker on the forums, thought I would share the bad news with everyone. Back in May of 2015, I took ownership of a new to me BMW 328i F30. I have had no issues with the car for 4 Full years! It was my baby and i never beat on it since I have another car to do that in. This car was met to be my daily for many years to come and I was also planning on becoming a loyal BMW customer with hope of getting the wife in a X5 within the next year or so.

Well let's jump into the issue that made my week go to hell. Driving to work approx. 55 MPH. I get the low oil pressure light followed by the Drivetrain malfunction light. I pulled over to the side of the road asap and had it towed to BMW. BMW called today, cause of failure was timing chain which then took the whole motor out. They want $11,000 to replace the motor...... I am super frustrated since I am a year out warranty and currently sit at 107,000 miles. There were absolutely no warning signs which makes me even more upset. As I said i don't beat on the car, i coded it to jump into eco-mode at all times. It rarely comes out of eco-mode and was never modified or tuned.... Other issue, I still owe $9,000 and was planning to either trade in this month for a new BMW or pay off in full due to balloon financing. Still trying to weight in on what to do here.

I do have a case in with BMW USA right now, but highly doubt they are going to cover anything. What pisses me off is that the failure occurred because of the timing chain issue that had an extended warranty.

So currently shit out of luck and kind of stuck in a huge predicament. I babied this car and always serviced it on time. Timing chains shouldn't go like that ever.....

I will keep you all updated, but as of right now. Pretty upset BMW owner. And I understand BMW doesn't owe me anything, but this is some screwed up situation.. Especially since there was an extended warranty for this.

EDIT: BMW USA already got back to me, their not going to cover the car at all.

EDIT #2: If you are reading this and you own a 2012-early 2015 N20. I would strongly recommend spending the money to have the new timing chain and guard put in, or trade it in now. I had no warning signs.

You didnt beat the car hard enough, BMW are made to be hard driven. Eco mode , start stop features and driving like a grand-ma all contribute to engine failures.
__________________
F30 335i Mperformance |BMS Intake|VRSF CP|CTS catless DP|CTS FMIC|KW v2|JB4 map 5| M titanium performance exhaust
Appreciate 0
      05-17-2019, 10:02 PM   #49
Gen13 F36
Major
United_States
385
Rep
1,132
Posts

Drives: 428i Gran Coupe
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Los Angeles, CA

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by lvblkjack View Post
N26's registered in participating states have 15yr/150k miles warranty on a long list of parts. Does a reman engine change that coverage?
That 15 yrs/150k miles warranty are for emission equipment... not engine
Appreciate 0
      05-18-2019, 08:00 AM   #50
EvenKeel
Captain
218
Rep
753
Posts

Drives: Sedan
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: USA

iTrader: (0)

I'm not so sure driving the car in eco mode all the time is a wise decision.

What eco mode does is run the transmission into the highest possible gear as quickly as possible. The net result is that the engine is often lugging. This is especially more prevalent in the 4 cylinder motors where the off boost torque is less than the 6 cylinder engines. Whether this ultimately impacts the timing chain; I'm not sure. However, it's certainly not healthy for the motor, long-term.
Appreciate 0
      05-18-2019, 12:20 PM   #51
floridaorange
Lieutenant
floridaorange's Avatar
United_States
198
Rep
520
Posts

Drives: 2013 bmw 320i xdrive
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: orlando, fl

iTrader: (1)

^ that's along the lines of what I was thinking tbh. My n20 feels strongest and happiest after its been driven long and hard in sport - I'm not sure why but vs city stop start driving it's night and day.
__________________
Stage 2 BM3
Appreciate 0
      05-18-2019, 12:30 PM   #52
snakechild
New Member
United_States
0
Rep
9
Posts

Drives: BMW 328i
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Orange County

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by moegd55 View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by MyEvo8u View Post
Hey All!

Longtime lurker on the forums, thought I would share the bad news with everyone. Back in May of 2015, I took ownership of a new to me BMW 328i F30. I have had no issues with the car for 4 Full years! It was my baby and i never beat on it since I have another car to do that in. This car was met to be my daily for many years to come and I was also planning on becoming a loyal BMW customer with hope of getting the wife in a X5 within the next year or so.

Well let's jump into the issue that made my week go to hell. Driving to work approx. 55 MPH. I get the low oil pressure light followed by the Drivetrain malfunction light. I pulled over to the side of the road asap and had it towed to BMW. BMW called today, cause of failure was timing chain which then took the whole motor out. They want $11,000 to replace the motor...... I am super frustrated since I am a year out warranty and currently sit at 107,000 miles. There were absolutely no warning signs which makes me even more upset. As I said i don't beat on the car, i coded it to jump into eco-mode at all times. It rarely comes out of eco-mode and was never modified or tuned.... Other issue, I still owe $9,000 and was planning to either trade in this month for a new BMW or pay off in full due to balloon financing. Still trying to weight in on what to do here.

I do have a case in with BMW USA right now, but highly doubt they are going to cover anything. What pisses me off is that the failure occurred because of the timing chain issue that had an extended warranty.

So currently shit out of luck and kind of stuck in a huge predicament. I babied this car and always serviced it on time. Timing chains shouldn't go like that ever.....

I will keep you all updated, but as of right now. Pretty upset BMW owner. And I understand BMW doesn't owe me anything, but this is some screwed up situation.. Especially since there was an extended warranty for this.

EDIT: BMW USA already got back to me, their not going to cover the car at all.

EDIT #2: If you are reading this and you own a 2012-early 2015 N20. I would strongly recommend spending the money to have the new timing chain and guard put in, or trade it in now. I had no warning signs.

You didnt beat the car hard enough, BMW are made to be hard driven. Eco mode , start stop features and driving like a grand-ma all contribute to engine failures.
So auto start stop is bad for the car...? I use it occasionally and if it's going to contribute to wrecking it. I'll turn it off. Haha.
Appreciate 0
      05-18-2019, 05:59 PM   #53
moegd55
Enlisted Member
moegd55's Avatar
Canada
6
Rep
32
Posts

Drives: BMW F30 335i Msport
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: montreal

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by snakechild View Post
So auto start stop is bad for the car...? I use it occasionally and if it's going to contribute to wrecking it. I'll turn it off. Haha.
apparently, we are smarter than BMW engineers
__________________
F30 335i Mperformance |BMS Intake|VRSF CP|CTS catless DP|CTS FMIC|KW v2|JB4 map 5| M titanium performance exhaust
Appreciate 0
      05-18-2019, 06:12 PM   #54
Mr Podman
First Lieutenant
150
Rep
376
Posts

Drives: 2015 F32 Coupe
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: North America

iTrader: (0)

For a variety of reasons, auto start stop is a stupid idea.

So is naming a four door car a Gran Coupe.




podman
Appreciate 2
      05-18-2019, 06:15 PM   #55
snakechild
New Member
United_States
0
Rep
9
Posts

Drives: BMW 328i
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Orange County

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by moegd55 View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by snakechild View Post
So auto start stop is bad for the car...? I use it occasionally and if it's going to contribute to wrecking it. I'll turn it off. Haha.
apparently, we are smarter than BMW engineers
haha. I love this forum.

Honestly I've disliked the time I have used it. It felt slow and sluggish every time.

Drove to work with sport mode today. And it was amazing.
Appreciate 0
      05-18-2019, 07:47 PM   #56
Linc0909
Enlisted Member
United_States
15
Rep
34
Posts

Drives: 2013 328i,
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Greenville, SC

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zanity View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkySmoooth View Post
You said you used ECO pro mode alot. Which means you also used Auto Start Stop. Auto Start Stop is VERY hard on the timing chain of the engine. I think this was a contributing factor to your engine failure.

I coded auto start stop off a week after owning the car and have never used it since. Also in my belief is that ECO pro mode can lug the engine by trying to always keep the RPMs low.
Negative, I coded ECO PRO at start up with auto start stop coded OFF. These are 2 separate codes. My car starts in eco pro with auto S/S OFF. The reason why I did this is because I want the car to warm up in eco pro's lower RPM settings. I found comfort sometimes pointlessly stays in gear up to 2500 rpm on a cold start.
It holds it at higher rpm during cold starts to warm the drivetrain up faster. Optimum mpg is at operating temperature, so your just taking longer to warm up to get the most ideal mpg.
Appreciate 0
      05-19-2019, 01:32 AM   #57
moegd55
Enlisted Member
moegd55's Avatar
Canada
6
Rep
32
Posts

Drives: BMW F30 335i Msport
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: montreal

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by snakechild View Post
haha. I love this forum.

Honestly I've disliked the time I have used it. It felt slow and sluggish every time.

Drove to work with sport mode today. And it was amazing.
I usually put it in eco mode when I feel like I'm spending too much money on gas, but it only last 5min and then back to sport mode. Can't resist
__________________
F30 335i Mperformance |BMS Intake|VRSF CP|CTS catless DP|CTS FMIC|KW v2|JB4 map 5| M titanium performance exhaust
Appreciate 0
      05-20-2019, 03:18 PM   #58
Gen13 F36
Major
United_States
385
Rep
1,132
Posts

Drives: 428i Gran Coupe
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Los Angeles, CA

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by snakechild View Post
So auto start stop is bad for the car...? I use it occasionally and if it's going to contribute to wrecking it. I'll turn it off. Haha.
Auto start/ stop is not bad if the corresponding part/ engine can take the abuse...ie timing chain, starter, battery and etc.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Podman View Post
For a variety of reasons, auto start stop is a stupid idea.

So is naming a four door car a Gran Coupe.




podman
Hey, leave my Gran Coupe out of this
Appreciate 0
      05-21-2019, 12:47 PM   #59
MyEvo8u
New Member
19
Rep
25
Posts

Drives: 2012 328i F30 & Evolution VIII
Join Date: May 2019
Location: NJ

iTrader: (0)

I think I am going to put a new motor in the BMW. Even though I'll be out 7 grand, hopefully this one will last haha.

Or do you guys think it is a stupid idea? Need some input.
Appreciate 0
      05-21-2019, 12:57 PM   #60
SantaEugence
Private First Class
9
Rep
100
Posts

Drives: F30 330d xDrive Auto
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: UK

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by MyEvo8u View Post
I think I am going to put a new motor in the BMW. Even though I'll be out 7 grand, hopefully this one will last haha.

Or do you guys think it is a stupid idea? Need some input.
What's the car worth? How long are you keeping it for? Maybe better off getting a second hand engine... I don't whether there are steps that can be taken to prevent his fault, but if you got a second hand engine then pay for the chain to be replaced before you fit it to the car then at least you know it's in good shape
Appreciate 0
      05-23-2019, 09:30 AM   #61
Hobie18
New Member
United_States
0
Rep
13
Posts

Drives: 2013 328ix
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: CT

iTrader: (0)

Lowest loss option

Look at the option with the lowest cost / loss.
What is the cars value with a running engine?
Factor in the cost to replace the engine (probably used) by an independent garage.
If you go with this option sell it before any warranty runs out.

Look at the salvage value for selling a non running car to an auto recycler.

Parting out a car could be more time and trouble than any additional cash you would receive.

Sadly I have gone through these decisions with 2 previous cars.
1) MazdaSpeed6 where the timing chain stretched and caused timing gears to jump. Also factory known defect where Mazda only extended the warranty to 7/70 when my car had 90,000 miles on it. A $1,600 repair, followed 15K miles later by a burned valve due to carbon buildup from Direct Ignition. $3,200 valve replacement. Sold car shortly later.
2) GMC Acadia - wife's car, Camshaft journals in the engine heads wore down cause timing chain to jump on gears to the point where engine heads needed replacement. (Known issue on GM 3.6 liter that was revised in later years). Faced with a $6,500 replacement for an SUV with 157K where I would only just recover the cost, I sold it to a auto recycler for $2,000.


I drove numerous previous vehicles for well over 100K without any engine problems. Then 2 engines in a row.

I bought my F30 after seeing friends drive BMWs for 200K+ without any issues. I didn't expect this from BMW.

Keep us posted on the class action suit. I recall Mini owners had some success with a similar suit.
Appreciate 0
      05-23-2019, 09:39 AM   #62
Hobie18
New Member
United_States
0
Rep
13
Posts

Drives: 2013 328ix
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: CT

iTrader: (0)

Lowest loss option

Look at the option with the lowest cost / loss.
What is the cars value with a running engine?
Factor in the cost to replace the engine (probably used) by an independent garage.
If you go with this option sell it before any warranty runs out.

Look at the salvage value for selling a non running car to an auto recycler.

Parting out a car could be more time and trouble than any additional cash you would receive.

Sadly I have gone through these decisions with 2 previous cars.
1) MazdaSpeed6 where the timing chain stretched and caused timing gears to jump. Also factory known defect where Mazda only extended the warranty to 7/70 when my car had 90,000 miles on it. A $1,600 repair, followed 15K miles later by a burned valve due to carbon buildup from Direct Ignition. $3,200 valve replacement. Sold car shortly later.
2) GMC Acadia - wife's car, Camshaft journals in the engine heads wore down cause timing chain to jump on gears to the point where engine heads needed replacement. (Known issue on GM 3.6 liter that was revised in later years). Faced with a $6,500 replacement for an SUV with 157K where I would only just recover the cost, I sold it to a auto recycler for $2,000.


I drove numerous previous vehicles for well over 100K without any engine problems. Then 2 engines in a row.

I bought my F30 after seeing friends drive BMWs for 200K+ without any issues. I didn't expect this from BMW.

Keep us posted on the class action suit. I recall Mini owners had some success with a similar suit.
Appreciate 0
      05-23-2019, 03:10 PM   #63
natesi
Second Lieutenant
123
Rep
285
Posts

Drives: 2016 328i xDrive
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Portland, OR

iTrader: (0)

I think your only realistic option is to put another engine in it.

I mean, you can either pay $7K to repair this one, or get another car altogether. And you're not going to get a replacement car, like your 3 series, for 7 grand -- that's for sure.

As it is, I'm not sure what you could sell it for. I suppose worst case scenario is that you fix it, then sell it -- for maybe like $15K?
Appreciate 0
      05-23-2019, 09:09 PM   #64
bimmerdean
New Member
1
Rep
12
Posts

Drives: BMW 328i Xdrive
Join Date: May 2019
Location: MO

iTrader: (0)

Exact same thing happened to me...

I own a 2013 BMW 328i xdrive and I've had it only for about 2 years and a few months, worked great, nothing happened until a few days ago when the low oil pressure sensor came on, then the drivetrain malfunction sensor came up. Anyway, I took it to BMW they thought it was most likely a timing chain issue, and said the engine was toasted, I then took it to another mechanic shop who works strictly on BMW's and they opened it up and saw a lot of oil sludge built up which is weird since I always got my oil changed and serviced. Anyway now I have to buy a used engine and installed which is going to run me $5,000 easily. It sucks...
Appreciate 0
      05-23-2019, 09:21 PM   #65
Kailec
Lieutenant Colonel
Kailec's Avatar
Canada
502
Rep
1,797
Posts

Drives: 2013 328i xDrive
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Toronto, ON

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by deanmajidy View Post
I own a 2013 BMW 328i xdrive and I've had it only for about 2 years and a few months, worked great, nothing happened until a few days ago when the low oil pressure sensor came on, then the drivetrain malfunction sensor came up. Anyway, I took it to BMW they thought it was most likely a timing chain issue, and said the engine was toasted, I then took it to another mechanic shop who works strictly on BMW's and they opened it up and saw a lot of oil sludge built up which is weird since I always got my oil changed and serviced. Anyway now I have to buy a used engine and installed which is going to run me $5,000 easily. It sucks...
Curious, how often were you changing your oil?
Appreciate 0
      05-23-2019, 10:15 PM   #66
CajunBMW
Private First Class
United_States
38
Rep
125
Posts

Drives: BMW 340i, Chrysler Van
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Shreveport, LA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by deanmajidy View Post
I own a 2013 BMW 328i xdrive and I've had it only for about 2 years and a few months, worked great, nothing happened until a few days ago when the low oil pressure sensor came on, then the drivetrain malfunction sensor came up. Anyway, I took it to BMW they thought it was most likely a timing chain issue, and said the engine was toasted, I then took it to another mechanic shop who works strictly on BMW's and they opened it up and saw a lot of oil sludge built up which is weird since I always got my oil changed and serviced. Anyway now I have to buy a used engine and installed which is going to run me $5,000 easily. It sucks...
I have an ind shop I went to all the time for my old e46. I had asked them about repairs on F30s and what they thought about those 3 series. They of course liked them a lot but told me that they saw a lot of sludge in the turbo 4s coming off of warranty that had used a 10k oil change routine. I think I said this in another post. Interesting that your car had the same issue. Ultimately I used this info to convince my wife that the way to go is a turbo 6 for our next BMW. Couldn't quite convince her the 8 cylinder was needed! Good luck.
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:53 AM.




f30post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST