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Hey guys, I just had a question for anyone interested in low dust brake pads. I know that the Akebono euro ceramic brake pads are pretty popular with alot of bmw owners on here because they produce little to no brake dust. However, I know that alot of users also don't like them because they fade way too quickly even on spirited driving and don't really offer a very good initial bite.


Upon speaking to Paragon brakes I think there may potentially be a significantly better alternative brake compound to the akebono's and other low dust ceramic brake pads - and this is the paragon p2 brake pad. These p2 brake pads are based off of winmax's brake pad compounds and I assume these are very similar if not just a rebranded winmax w2 pad. So for those of you who don't know what the W2's are, they are extremely extremely good and well reknowned pads in the JDM car world (I came from the FRS world and that is where I experienced alot of winmax pads, but I didn't get the chance to try the W2's but I have heard they are excellent) and the W2's are supposedly the best low dust street pads you can get. They offer extremely low noise (supposed to be OEM levels) and low dusting (on the level of ceramic pads) but they offer significantly better initial bite compared to alternative ceramic pads with a whopping ~0.43-0.44 coefficent of friction, and are able to retain a relatively high coefficent of friction in respect to temperature. So despite fading they should retain more friction than any alternative ceramic brake pad and not be completely unuseable with hard driving on the street. So pretty much you shouldn't be able to fade these pads to a level where they are unsafe/unuseable on the street.

Here's a graph to show it's coefficent of friction vs. temp:

Credit: paragon https://paragonbrakes.com/paragon-pbp1548-brake-pads/


So the only issue is Paragon doesn't stock these pads because they don't think there is any interest, so that's where you guys come in. If you guys are potentially interested in buying these style of pads reply to this thread and vote in the poll to show paragon your interest. Paragon has told me If enough of you guys want these pads then they'll stock it.

[mmm-five]

That chart shows the P2 performance drops of significantly when they're even slightly hot...so what is the benefit of them over the R5 or R7 then...especially considering the initial 'bite' seems to be relatively terrible...

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Originally Posted by mmm-five

That chart shows the P2 performance drops of significantly when they're even slightly hot...so what is the benefit of them over the R5 or R7 then...especially considering the initial 'bite' seems to be relatively terrible...

It's the friction curve you need to read, the strength chart isn't even remotely descriptive about these pads.

First off the P2 is a street pad while the R5 and R7 are race pads, they're not even slightly comparable... You can daily the p2 pads in all weather conditions and they'll work, you can't do that on the r5 and R7 - these pads require temperature to work properly. If you don't have the temperature then they're extremely abrasive on the rotor when cold and you'll wear through the rotor rapidly.

The coefficient of friction chart is what determines initial bite and the p2's are fantastic in that regard.


That chart you linked doesn't compare pads on equal terms, I think they compare it on track conditions. Because there's no way a race pads has better rotor wear than a non-metallic pad on the street.



Also the competitors for this pad would be something like the carbotech 1521 (in which these pads are $200 cheaper), or akebonos (in which the p2 pads outclass in terms of performance).

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Ok quick update: Paragon has informed me that they will be ordering a couple sets of P2 pads from winmax Japan. The new pads will take 1-2 months to arrive. I'll keep you guys posted when they arrive, and I do hope to get a set for myself to test and provide additional data for but we will see.

These should be a great option for everyone looking for a low dust pad that should ideally outperform the akebonos and are cheaper than other low dust brake pad alternatives.

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I got an email from Paragon last night and they told me the P2 pads have arrived. It doesn't show as in stock on their website yet but the pads are indeed at Paragon's warehouse. So if anyone wants to purchase a set, I believe you can do so now.