335d Xdrive black smoke and strong exhaust smell

330XDave · 08-26-2018, 09:02 AM

Far too many issues to consider keeping the car in my opinion. Yes it's a beautiful looking car but if I were you I'd return it to save yourself what is likely to be some hefty bills in the future. You have every right to do this with the issues you have described.

JustChris · 08-26-2018, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by kylemacca01

How long ago did you buy it? If less than a month take it back and demand your money back.

For me, nothing but this.

All kind of alarm bells OP. Really hope you manage to resolve it all.

Hooded · 08-26-2018, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by NISFAN

Just seen the pictures on Flickr.
That is an example of a modified 335d. The ride height is definitely not standard, the wheelbarrow exhausts are not standard, etc. Chances are it has been mapped and dpf gutted. You only gut the dpf on a serious power remap job. The remap has possibly been removed. The ECU has to be opened up on earlier remaps, you will probably be able to tell it has been done.

As above, I would look to reject. The history of that car could indicate a hard life.

Agree with this^

TouringPleb · 08-26-2018, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by C0nn0r91

I got it from up North,
No i didn't put any of those things on the car unfortunately, otherwise i'd know more about it haha. The twin exhausts is just a backbox with the tips modified from what i can see.

Mileage is nearly 32,000 if that helps.

So with that amount of modifications it’s very possible the internals of the DPF have been removed.

Also it looks like it has illegal tints on the front side windows?

Those front windows certainly look sus to me!

Hooded · 08-26-2018, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by TouringPleb

Those front windows certainly look sus to me!

I thought that on the one photo until I looked at the next photo where they look normal to me. Hard to tell if it's the lighting on the photo or not without seeing more photos.

Here's the one they look ok on...

teaston · 08-26-2018, 10:19 AM

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Those front windows certainly look sus to me!

I thought that on the one photo until I looked at the next photo where they look normal to me. Hard to tell if it's the lighting on the photo or not without seeing more photos.

Here's the one they look ok on...

They look similar tint to the rear windows!

Hooded · 08-26-2018, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by teaston

They look similar tint to the rear windows!

Maybe it's just me .. but in the photo above the tint % looks about roughly the same as on this car

teaston · 08-26-2018, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Hooded

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They look similar tint to the rear windows!

Maybe it's just me .. but in the photo above the tint % looks about roughly the same as on this car

It really depends on the exposure of the photo and the ambient lighting.

C0nn0r91 · 08-26-2018, 11:26 AM

I have already mentioned they're not quite as dark as the rear but have at some point been tinted.

Roo12 · 08-26-2018, 11:53 AM

Nice, polite and assertive rejection based on your consumer rights

Jeff123 · 08-26-2018, 12:11 PM

If you can reject the car I would do this. There are too many issues to sort out and you would be better off starting again with a bog standard car and modifying it yourself if desired. There are loads of cars on the ‘net and you will know what not to buy next time.

See what the dealer says, he might just say yes and make it an easy move.

Used car salesmen will say anything to get them through the next half hour, so I would assume that they are not telling the truth about the previous owner.

Hooded · 08-26-2018, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by teaston

It really depends on the exposure of the photo and the ambient lighting.

Yeah I agree .. would need to look at more photos of the car.

front side windows can be 5% more tinted than the front windscreen, so that could be the case there, I can't really tell for sure from the photos.

MarkyM · 08-26-2018, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by C0nn0r91

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Originally Posted by 330XDave

Go back and show him the black smoke? I assume you had some sort of warranty with it?

I don't believe there is a warranty with the car. One wasn't mentioned. It was purchased on finance through them.

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Originally Posted by NISFAN

You are taking the word of a used car dealer?

If he is so confident the car passed the MOT without the old switcheroo trick that used car dealers and their pet MOT testers use, ask if he is happy to have an independent MOT done with you being present. ANY smoke is an immediate fail.

Good luck

Thanks,

That's something I can try, I voiced my concerns come next mot how it would pass with the smoke.

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Originally Posted by kylemacca01

How long ago did you buy it? If less than a month take it back and demand your money back.

I picked it up 9 days ago. I'm not sure it works like that considering it was purchased on finance?

You legally have 6 months warranty and a 30 day rejection period for major faults

Have a read through this:-

https://www.thecarexpert.co.uk/rejecting-a-car/

I would seriously consider rejecting it's only going to get worse, although may not be easy, if you do make sure you also let the finance company know

cheesetoastie · 08-27-2018, 05:36 AM

Take it to a Bmw main dealer and pay them to check the car over. From what your saying they will be able to identify the issues. You then have your evidence when going back to the garage you brought it from.
Good luck.

C0nn0r91 · 08-27-2018, 08:50 AM

Unfortunately the 14 days are up with the finance company in which I have the right to withdraw. This is the 14th day so it wouldn't be beneficial for me to do these checks since I don't have that right after today.

Thanks though everyone.

C0nn0r91 · 08-27-2018, 09:03 AM

Spoke to the dealer and apparently bmw springs have no markings on them where as I thought they had a white tag.

And an mot was done by an independent garage with a print out of the emissions which have passed.

And its normal for a car with a dpf to smoke and smell. So the car won't be getting returned on those terms.

OneExtra · 08-27-2018, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by C0nn0r91

And its normal for a car with a dpf to smoke and smell. So the car won't be getting returned on those terms.

Not sure who told you that but I have had diesels for 8 years and they don't smoke or smell unless they are not right or about 20 years old

The DPF is there to stop the smoke

C0nn0r91 · 08-27-2018, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by OneExtra

Not sure who told you that but I have had diesels for 8 years and they don't smoke or smell unless they are not right or about 20 years old

The DPF is there to stop the smoke

These are the dealers words. He won't accept a return because he says there is nothing wrong with the emissions. Due to the low levels when tested by the mot.
Yet I can smell fumes and see black smoke under load and when revved.

OneExtra · 08-27-2018, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by C0nn0r91

These are the dealers words. He won't accept a return because he says there is nothing wrong with the emissions. Due to the low levels when tested by the mot.
Yet I can smell fumes and see black smoke under load and when revved.

Simply its not right. Is the selling dealer an Independent or a main BMW dealer. I am guessing an Independent

You should never see black smoke unless something is broken.

Even my 530D with a remap to 340bhp did not produce any smoke, the inside of the exhaust was spotless

I bet the inside of yours is covered in soot, which is a sign that smoke is getting past the DPF etc

Hooded · 08-27-2018, 09:24 AM

Take it somewhere with the emissions test equipment and tell them your concerns and ask them to kindly test it for you, if it fails get a printout of the results and return the car.

Jeff123 · 08-27-2018, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Hooded

Take it somewhere with the emissions test equipment and tell them your concerns and ask them to kindly test it for you, if it fails get a printout of the results and return the car.

That’s a good idea. Won’t cost you much and the garage will probably give you a few thoughts about the issues.

C0nn0r91 · 08-27-2018, 10:44 AM

Thanks all, yes the tailpipes are covered in soot after a short journey. And the seller is an independent dealership. They have many high end cars.

That will be my next step to take it to an mot testing station and get them to perform an emissions test.

If it does pass then I'll be very surprised!

The dealer is sending me documentation and proof of the emissions as well so it will be good to compare the results.

Thanks,
Connor.

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330XDave Major 629 Rep 1,470 Posts Drives: 330d xDrive Touring Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Nottingham, UK iTrader: (0)	Far too many issues to consider keeping the car in my opinion. Yes it's a beautiful looking car but if I were you I'd return it to save yourself what is likely to be some hefty bills in the future. You have every right to do this with the issues you have described.
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C0nn0r91 Enlisted Member 21 Rep 48 Posts Drives: Bmw 335d m sport xdrive Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Norfolk iTrader: (0)	I have already mentioned they're not quite as dark as the rear but have at some point been tinted.
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Jeff123 Jeff 318 Rep 1,451 Posts Drives: 330d M Sport x-drive F30 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Yorkshire iTrader: (0)	If you can reject the car I would do this. There are too many issues to sort out and you would be better off starting again with a bog standard car and modifying it yourself if desired. There are loads of cars on the ‘net and you will know what not to buy next time. See what the dealer says, he might just say yes and make it an easy move. Used car salesmen will say anything to get them through the next half hour, so I would assume that they are not telling the truth about the previous owner.
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cheesetoastie Private First Class 25 Rep 109 Posts Drives: F30 335D Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: London iTrader: (0)	Take it to a Bmw main dealer and pay them to check the car over. From what your saying they will be able to identify the issues. You then have your evidence when going back to the garage you brought it from. Good luck.
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C0nn0r91 Enlisted Member 21 Rep 48 Posts Drives: Bmw 335d m sport xdrive Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Norfolk iTrader: (0)	Unfortunately the 14 days are up with the finance company in which I have the right to withdraw. This is the 14th day so it wouldn't be beneficial for me to do these checks since I don't have that right after today. Thanks though everyone.
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C0nn0r91 Enlisted Member 21 Rep 48 Posts Drives: Bmw 335d m sport xdrive Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Norfolk iTrader: (0)	Spoke to the dealer and apparently bmw springs have no markings on them where as I thought they had a white tag. And an mot was done by an independent garage with a print out of the emissions which have passed. And its normal for a car with a dpf to smoke and smell. So the car won't be getting returned on those terms.
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Hooded Banned 1669 Rep 3,967 Posts Drives: F30 330d M-Sport Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: England iTrader: (0)	Take it somewhere with the emissions test equipment and tell them your concerns and ask them to kindly test it for you, if it fails get a printout of the results and return the car.
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C0nn0r91 Enlisted Member 21 Rep 48 Posts Drives: Bmw 335d m sport xdrive Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Norfolk iTrader: (0)	Thanks all, yes the tailpipes are covered in soot after a short journey. And the seller is an independent dealership. They have many high end cars. That will be my next step to take it to an mot testing station and get them to perform an emissions test. If it does pass then I'll be very surprised! The dealer is sending me documentation and proof of the emissions as well so it will be good to compare the results. Thanks, Connor.
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