[JaredG_F30]

Hopefully this helps some of you guys out!!

[paimon.soror]

sweet thanks for the vid. The only recommendation i have is do NOT let the MAP just dangle in your engine bay. That bad boy is incredibly expensive (MAP is on the charge pipe, MAF is on the intake). Much safer to remove and put aside safely to prevent damage.

[JaredG_F30]

Yeah I ended up disconnecting it after I removed it from the CP. It was easier that way for me.

[Hansboost]

Nice video. I will be doing this next weekend

[BrockNotBrooke]

Thanks for posting this. I have been looking for a good tutorial, seems easiest to just do both at the same time. Hopefully getting this done in the next month or so. How long did the total process take?

[JaredG_F30]

Originally Posted by BrockNotBrooke

Thanks for posting this. I have been looking for a good tutorial, seems easiest to just do both at the same time. Hopefully getting this done in the next month or so. How long did the total process take?

From the time I put the car on jack stands to when I brought it down took about 6 hours but that was also managing the camera and includes the VRSF downpipe installation. Just the FMIC and CP probably took half of that.

[ceedawg]

Originally Posted by JaredG_F30

Hopefully this helps some of you guys out!!

lol Not for nothing but after seeing this I felt bad for you man and myself. I think I am going to take the front bumper off.

[matty088]

I did my fmic. I notice absolutely zero in performance gain. I said it once I'll say it again. These cars don't need upgraded ic unless u track them or live out in Cali and can run the mountains for thirty mins.

I am sure logs will show a small benefit but who cares.

Save your money

[the dope steez]

Nice thanks for the tutorial! I'm doing FMIC and charge pipe as well as downpipe on Friday, then flashing to BM3 stage 2. Really looking forward to feeling the difference 100 ft lbs of torque makes!

[akgambino]

Originally Posted by matty088

I did my fmic. I notice absolutely zero in performance gain. I said it once I'll say it again. These cars don't need upgraded ic unless u track them or live out in Cali and can run the mountains for thirty mins.

I am sure logs will show a small benefit but who cares.

Save your money

I can appreciate this opinion and feedback as I am more about mods that can be felt and provide noticeable improvements versus doing things just to say you did it or because numbers in a spreadsheet change.

At the same time, my understanding is that if you are running a proper tune with proper ignition timing and safely/reliably increasing the boost as much as 2x stock levels the stock intercooler simply cant keep up and even after one pull to redline heat soak will rob you of the additional power your new levels of boost are providing. People who bash the stock intercooler for being trash are sort of wrong... bmw didn't engineer it for 15+ psi of boost to run through it, if you wanna do multiple back to back runs in warm weather with the car bone stock I doubt you have any greater issue of heat soak and power loss than any other modern turbocharged vehicle on the road.

I have a cts FMIC sitting here waiting to be installed, I didn't buy it for the gains I bought it to make sure that the gains I paid for with an expensive dme tune would be ensured.

[matty088]

It's about reliability. Factory ICs are just much better these days.

[ceedawg]

Originally Posted by matty088

It's about reliability. Factory ICs are just much better these days.

Beg to differ with you but Not on ALL cars simply not true especially with BMW air to air fmic's. That is so general. You keep saying This! Once you raise the boost or big tirbo, the efficiency of the stock FMIC starts going down the toilet. FACTS

[JaredG_F30]

Logs show otherwise. With my CTS Turbo FMIC I'm seeing IATs about 10-15 degrees above ambient. With the stock FMIC I could easily see temps 40-50 degress above ambient. On an 80 degree day the aftermarket IC will keep your DME from pulling timing and robbing you of power.

Originally Posted by matty088

I did my fmic. I notice absolutely zero in performance gain. I said it once I'll say it again. These cars don't need upgraded ic unless u track them or live out in Cali and can run the mountains for thirty mins.

I am sure logs will show a small benefit but who cares.

Save your money

[ceedawg]

Yeah and reliability if you want to stay stock. That is also the reason why BMW runs only 4 to 9 psi on this car. They realized that going water to air was more efficient overall in making more power reliably. Hello 340i,M3,M4,M5,M6 all using air to water!

[matty088]

Originally Posted by ceedawg

Beg to differ with you but Not on ALL cars simply not true especially with BMW air to air fmic's. That is so general. You keep saying This! Once you raise the boost or big tirbo, the efficiency of the stock FMIC starts going down the toilet. FACTS

Yes I do keep saying this. Given that the subject matter is f30/f32 I didnt realize I had to specify. So let me do so. The stock ic on our bmw f30/32 are fine IF you are staying bolt on and not doing any track events.

It seems like its a common mod for people that are staying bolt on their dailys. I am here to say they are wasting money.

The other point i made is that factory ICs have improved dramatically since the mid 90s(i think you own a car that fits this bill as do i). Its not as required as it once was. We owned cars with ICs that were half the size of a cereal box and 75% plastic. I think a lot of people drink the coolaid. It just isnt the case anymore. It used to be considered a big power adder. IT is not on these cars. I agree logs will show some improvement. But not worth the cost. If you live in a warm region and want an IC for reliability purposes thats one thing. But for me i wish i didnt spend the money.

[JaredG_F30]

To each his own. I know for me it was worthwhile as I tend to drive pretty aggressively and like to hit mountain/canyon roads frequently. Just a couple pulls to over 6,000 RPM can heat soak the stock IC pretty quick. You can def see the difference on a dyno as well with back to back pulls.

Originally Posted by matty088

Yes I do keep saying this. Given that the subject matter is f30/f32 I didnt realize I had to specify. So let me do so. The stock ic on our bmw f30/32 are fine IF you are staying bolt on and not doing any track events.

It seems like its a common mod for people that are staying bolt on their dailys. I am here to say they are wasting money.

The other point i made is that factory ICs have improved dramatically since the mid 90s(i think you own a car that fits this bill as do i). Its not as required as it once was. We owned cars with ICs that were half the size of a cereal box and 75% plastic. I think a lot of people drink the coolaid. It just isnt the case anymore. It used to be considered a big power adder. IT is not on these cars. I agree logs will show some improvement. But not worth the cost. If you live in a warm region and want an IC for reliability purposes thats one thing. But for me i wish i didnt spend the money.

[ceedawg]

Originally Posted by matty088

Yes I do keep saying this. Given that the subject matter is f30/f32 I didnt realize I had to specify. So let me do so. The stock ic on our bmw f30/32 are fine IF you are staying bolt on and not doing any track events.

It seems like its a common mod for people that are staying bolt on their dailys. I am here to say they are wasting money.

The other point i made is that factory ICs have improved dramatically since the mid 90s(i think you own a car that fits this bill as do i). Its not as required as it once was. We owned cars with ICs that were half the size of a cereal box and 75% plastic. I think a lot of people drink the coolaid. It just isnt the case anymore. It used to be considered a big power adder. IT is not on these cars. I agree logs will show some improvement. But not worth the cost. If you live in a warm region and want an IC for reliability purposes thats one thing. But for me i wish i didnt spend the money.

This applied in the 90s, early 2ks,today and tomorrow with inter coolers especially air to air.
Again ,any car that is running stock boost with Bolton’s then there is no added benefit. You can even actually lose power in that case running a bigger more efficient FMIC. However once the boost is raised or we go bigger turbo you will only benefit then from using an aftermarket FMIC especially on a F3x car period. Most guys who go fbo either get a tune or piggy back anyway for additional power. What gives you additional power more so than any mod even if you were stock? Raising the boost past stock levels then making it wise to purchase a more efficient FMIC due to increased heat,airflow and power all from increasing the pressure and airflow(boost) It’s physics!

PS the stock FMIC on the F3X cars I would not consider to be a big FMIC. It’s been engineered to run low boost with the little turbo that is on the car for reliability.

[ceedawg]

Originally Posted by JaredG_F30

To each his own. I know for me it was worthwhile as I tend to drive pretty aggressively and like to hit mountain/canyon roads frequently. Just a couple pulls to over 6,000 RPM can heat soak the stock IC pretty quick. You can def see the difference on a dyno as well with back to back pulls.

Makes sense!

[Mr. Tasty]

Originally Posted by matty088

Yes I do keep saying this. Given that the subject matter is f30/f32 I didnt realize I had to specify. So let me do so. The stock ic on our bmw f30/32 are fine IF you are staying bolt on and not doing any track events.

It seems like its a common mod for people that are staying bolt on their dailys. I am here to say they are wasting money.

The other point i made is that factory ICs have improved dramatically since the mid 90s(i think you own a car that fits this bill as do i). Its not as required as it once was. We owned cars with ICs that were half the size of a cereal box and 75% plastic. I think a lot of people drink the coolaid. It just isnt the case anymore. It used to be considered a big power adder. IT is not on these cars. I agree logs will show some improvement. But not worth the cost. If you live in a warm region and want an IC for reliability purposes thats one thing. But for me i wish i didnt spend the money.

I don't want to sound like a dick, but your anecdotal evidence is worthless.

Logs will show drastic delta's all day. A solid aftermarket intercooler can be had for sub $500.

[sspade]

Originally Posted by Mr. Tasty

I don't want to sound like a dick, but your anecdotal evidence is worthless.

Logs will show drastic delta's all day. A solid aftermarket intercooler can be had for sub $500.

In fact, they can be had for about $200 (or less).

[ceedawg]

Originally Posted by sspade

In fact, they can be had for about $200 (or less).

Anything is better than stock thats for sure. But quality depends on how much you want to spend.

[ceedawg]

Originally Posted by JaredG_F30

Hopefully this helps some of you guys out!!

Thankyou BOSS!