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I seem to recall reading a very early article in which they stated that the e46 served as the benchmark because so many of "us" considered it one of the finest generations of 3ers. Wish I could remember where I read that. |
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10-01-2012, 11:55 PM | #46 |
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congrats again to the 328i! the 3-series should go back to hydraulic power assist (steering feel) one of its dynamic driving traits!
I like this comment about the ATS 2.0....the shifter is notchy and the shifter looks ancient and was taken from circa 1995 JC whitney catalog.. Last edited by jon328i; 10-02-2012 at 12:00 AM.. |
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10-02-2012, 12:18 AM | #48 |
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I don't know where GM got those horsepower and torque figures from, edmunds ran a dyno test on both cars and the bimmer's power was accurate at 240hp when tested repeatedly, it's torque figures are also close at 257 foot pounds but the ATS's figures on the other hand are very inflated, the ATS's horsepower is 239 and its torque is 252 foot pounds. Cadillac's only advantage enginewise according to Edmunds is better refinement and a smoother power delivery which strangely is the exact opposite of what this review by car and driver reveals.
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10-02-2012, 12:50 AM | #49 |
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*yawn*
Resale value on the Crapillac will never match the 3er...
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10-02-2012, 02:09 AM | #50 | |
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I'm sure BMW designers will also improve the handling on the M335i, since we all know it has the letter ///M in it. LOL! But to top it all off, BMW will not put us down with the F80 M3. That car will be a beast for sure.
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10-02-2012, 02:33 AM | #51 | |
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Until the ATS-V comes out. |
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10-02-2012, 03:04 AM | #52 |
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That may be true since cadillac has finally beaten the 328i in handling...
We'll just wait and see. We may get to see the new M3 getting a magnetic ride suspension just to show cadillac how good BMW can be at attempting in utilizing this type of technology that's already found in other GM vehicles.
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10-02-2012, 09:02 AM | #54 | |
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As for the Caddy's mistake I was talking about, it was just my opinion that they have misnamed their collections to begin with. BTW, I saw your post above that you can't find any 2.0T models at dealerships in Chicago area. That's because the 2.0T production started in September and that model will start showing up at dealerships either later this month or early November even. A limited number of 2.0T models in Premium Collection with 6-speed manuals were made available for media reviews only. Also, I expect most ATS models in Chicago area dealerships to be AWD, just like many F30s are. And since we are on the subject, I live between 3 Cadillac dealerships (Barrington, Northbrook and Libertyville) and 4 BMW dealerships (Barrington, Northfield, Schaumburg and Lake Bluff). Libertyville and Lake Bluff are the closest to me. As soon as Caddy has the 2.0T at dealerships around me, I will go test drive one. Do you know which BMW dealership around Chicago has 328i/335i with Sport or M sport line for comparable test drive vs the ATS? |
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10-02-2012, 09:49 AM | #55 | |
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This unfortunately shows that GM is not yet ready to compete at this level. Although the BMW N20 is a 4 cylinder with that layout's inherent imbalance, it looks like it is one of the best 4 cylinder engines in the world. It loves to rev, makes nice sounds, is relatively smooth off of idle, makes great power and gets very goof fuel economy. The GM engine on the other hand seems to make good power but looks to be rough, doesn't like to rev and the fuel economy is well below that of the BMW engine. It's an average engine at best in this class. It seems like the ATS 3.6 is the way to go and hopefully GM will find a MT for this package. |
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10-02-2012, 11:11 AM | #56 |
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This thread really shows how snobbish we all are as Bimmer drivers. Credit is given when it is due and in this case the ATS is a damn good car. It flat out out handles the F30 and BMW isn't probably going to give a s*** and continue making softer more "mainstream" luxury vehicles to please its score of badge whore customers. Regardless, I'll be jumping ship if this trend continues with BMW loosing sight of its core values. Mercedes has already done it and Cadillac, the Japanese, and Audi are slowly climbing the ranks.
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For example, just because an LS3 or LS7 small block can make more hp and torque than the V8 in an M3 with equal or better fuel economy for hundreds of thousands of miles, with relatively low maintenance costs, and less weight, does not mean BMW is not ready to compete "at these levels". No doubt the N20 is a great engine, but production cars of same displacement have produce 300-400 hp for going on a decade, albeit without the fuel economy that direct injection and modern transmissions convey. |
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10-02-2012, 12:50 PM | #58 | |
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Last, what production car engines of 2.0L are making 300-400 HP? |
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If you take everything the journalists say about why the 3-Series won despite not being the winner in the fun and handling department and applied that to the A4 and C-Class, they should've won not the 3-Series. With that said, I don't see how BMW can choose to ignore the competition and not make more significant changes. ATS hit a home run and now Audi has very much improved their driving dynamics and add that along with their designs, they have much better value. |
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Again, I don't own but have driven an N20 powered car, and I like the engine, but many firms have used twin scroll, direct engine, and other technologies for some time and the only technical evidence we have say the engines have the same power and torque. If the N20 is better it's probably marginal in the same way the ATS is purported to have better handling (again probably marginally). |
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10-03-2012, 01:42 PM | #62 |
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Depending on if you get all season or summer tires, the grip is more than plentiful. Our car has the summer tires and considering the lighter nose compared to the E90 328i I had, it turns in much more sharply and to be honest the 255s these cars used to come with were overkill so losing unsprung weight out back by going with the smaller wheel/tire package has actually made the ar much more neutral. I would never dream of going back to a staggered setup, I even like the handling of the 328i Sport Line better than my 135i even with my KW coilovers (my car has much higher limits thanks to the stiff springs and my Michelin Pilot Super Sport tires, but it's no where near neutral and cannot be rotated like the F30 can). BMW knew what they were doing when they set up the F30.
I believe BMW has purposely made the F30s that are on the market today softer and more comfortable in order to leave room for the rumored M335i, I have no doubt that this car will be much sharper and more fun than the ATS and will bridge the gap between 335i and M3. |
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BMW - No dumb ass! I am not going to send you our next best thing! Here is our old bench mark lets see if you can catch up.
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